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    Posted: 05 February 2006 at 1:38pm
robdawg.... i dont know where u get your information from but you have made some serious claims.....
I HAVE KNOWN STUART FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR HIM AT GRAY-NICOLLS FOR OVER 12 MONTHS NOW.

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gray nic u shouldnt worry about it because there crappy wood and they dont have there master bat makers make them.
....WE ORDER THE PREMIUM TIMBER FROM OUR SUPPLIER.  STUART MAKES ALL THE  GRAY-NICOLLS SPONSORED PLAYERS BATS, TEST AND STATE.



 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2006 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by robdawg

i forgot to say stuart from gray nic makes bats for andrew symonds shane warne and mathwew hayden and just about all gray nic sponsored players and you will find soon he will make his own company for more money and the gray nic sponsored players will then buy bats off him



robdawg...where do u get your information from??????????
1. STUART HAS NO INTENTION OF EVER LEAVING GRAY-NICOLLS, AND EVEN IF HE WANTED TO  HIS CONTRACT STATES THAT HE CANNOT WORK IN THE INDUSTRY FOR 12 MONTHS AFTER LEAVING GN.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2006 at 4:20pm

matt, stop typing in capitals - robdawg has been banned so he's not going to be able to answer your questions is he now?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 10:36am
sorry i type in capitals when im ****ed off.
banned....oh well...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 12:09pm

So long as it doesn't happen all the time I can handle that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2006 at 7:40am

And so long as it is censored and does not offend anybody. i guess so.

I think if some **** is written to directly offend anyone, that must be banned, depending on the severity.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2006 at 10:11am
I thought Puma bats came out of India, with the stickers being made in Australia? Not to say bats out of India aint good they are superb. Maybe Matt knows the answer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2006 at 11:23am
I think high quality bats are manufactured and exported to various cricket playing countries of the worl. Silakot is a well known region for manufacturing international quality sports goods of all sorts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2006 at 7:49am
i dont like baging other cricket manufatures i think its poor form....but i will say this this about indian cricket bats
....they are made there because the labour is cheap
....alot of the workers are poorley skilled (lack of education when its comes to the bat making process)
....its so damn hot over there alot of the bats are too dry (8% moisture is the norm) and do tend to break more due to cracks from the pressing process
....bowed bats came about because the bat makers couldn't figure out how to press them straight.

bats made from india are not rubbish...i just think that there are better manufatures of cricket bats out there...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2006 at 8:33am
I don'nt know much about Indian bat manufactureres, but about bowed bats, i am pretty sure that these are not manufactured only becuase manufactureres don'nt know how to press them straight. Its for supporting hard strikers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 February 2006 at 12:06pm
read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because the indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'.
and what you wrote is poor grammer.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 February 2006 at 12:34pm
Did it occur to you that maybe English isn't his first language?

Your comments about Indian batmaking are condescending beyond belief incidentally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 February 2006 at 12:51pm

Originally posted by matt

read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because he indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'.
and what you wrote is poor grammer.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 February 2006 at 1:27pm

This is my opinion, the main 'big' companys do make good bats eg kooka, gn, gm, puma and they offer different style of bats to suit different players. However, i personally believe that if you go to Laver&wood, bradbury fusion etc you will normally get a better bat as it is suited to your game, usually the willow used will be better, and as they are hand made the balance and pick up will be a lot better, so you will get more wood in the profile from these custom made companys compared to the 'big' companys. i have had a gm, woodworm and newbery and my last bat was a laver, the difference of quality and size is big.

does anyone on this forum have a bradbury or have picked up and had a look at one, i would like to hear your thoughts as i am interested in them. Thanks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2006 at 1:05pm
just telling you the way it is. too press a bat, three rollers are needed to keep it straight. when the indians first started to make bats they used presses that had only one roller, and it bowed the bat, so they made  'em that way and all players just got used to it, and now most bats are bowed.

clobber. my comments on indian bat making is how it is mate. i make bats for a living and my boss has spent alot of time in india setting up the  world wide cricket factory, so i do know what im am talking about.

oh and as for the continuing talk about the quality of wood out there...
the 'big' companies have the buying power and demand the best timer because they spend 'alot' more money than your little lesser known brands. thats the way it is kids.

i also do the repairs at work and we would get about 50 to 80 bats a week during the cricket season, so i get to see alot of different makes and models. so i can tell you from experience that the best timber is bought up by the big companies.

you may not like or agree with what ive said.....but im sick of reading the b.s. that gets around about all this.

oh.... and at the end of each work day i love testing all the bats that come in.  so ive got a fair idea about alot of different bats.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2006 at 1:52pm
yer i am not arguing with you, you are a batmaker i am just a 15 year old kid who loves cricket and bats. But i don't think however that the big companies sell the best timber to the public on their bats. If they did though, to make a good bat you need a quality batmaker, and you will find that the two of the best batmakers, if not the best in the world are james laver&paul bradbury. These batmakers make amzing bats which are also on sale to the public, also using very good willow. it is not to say that gm, gn, puma etc do noy have amazing batmakers themselves, but im sure if they do they do not make the bats that go on sale in to the shops for the public to buy. The smaller copanies ie, laver&wood, bradbury must get hold of some of the best willow otherwise they would not be making bats for numerous international test players. This are my thoughts and opinions although i should think they are all wrong in your views matt lol.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2006 at 5:54pm

 

   Hi Matt,

              I have been with willow and cricket for over 40 years,and i am still learning about the bat making game,teach a wise bat maker something he will be a wiser bat maker!

Regarding your comments about putting the bow into the blade,i can put no bow or a massive with out pressing it to hard,and i have only one roller on my press.

I can remember when a old bat that had seen some hard cricket and had been wet then dry many times would have a natural bow with out being pressed to achieve this,i am not sure but you can bet that it may have got  the bow started , that is only a thought.

We press on average about 20 passes in 2 stages,we test in between finishing the bat.We have indoor nets here at the workshop, fully floodlit not only that, the customer can try the bat out before we finish it,with cricket balls.

Our pressing is done by hand by that i mean we do not have a electric motor on the press,so hand pressed,you can feel and hear the willow,ie listen to hear if the cleft is cracking,i could go on and on but,i am not giving too much away at this stage.

 

Bad pressing can wreak a good cleft and careful pressing can turn an ordinary cleft into a decent bat, put both of these factors together and you should produce a top bat.

With regarding small bat making companies not getting good willow or that the big companies get better willow,is in my opinion is not excactly true, if you agree that the big firms order large amounts of willow, they will have to take other grades as well,and you can only get a certain amount of top clefts out of a tree, plus small firms like ourselves can get thier willow weighed? if you are in the trade you will know what i am talking about?

There are other points i would like to air but i think i have said enough for the time being,but for one important point, the small firms can give something that the bigger ones can not and thats personal service,it is a trade off,get big and rich  and loose the personal touch, we will remain small and keep in touch with cricketers and make more good friends.

These are not necessarily the only views that are correct, and i must say if you represent the company i think you do, they do make some excellent bats.

 

Bill Cornford, Fusion Sports.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:37pm

(plus small firms like ourselves can get thier willow weighed)

 

what do you mean by that?!?!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:49pm

 

   So called pro willow is not as dense,so you can get much bigger profiles for the same weight,and if pressed correctly will be top bats.

Normally the willow supplier would not weight the clefts they would just grade them,you would only get about 10 % of this type out of a tree if you are lucky

These points are just my views .

 

Bill

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 March 2006 at 3:09pm

Just thought I'd add my two cents worth here!

Salient points to this discussion (although off original topic) are:

A) Larger brands will charge a premium for their goods, relying not only on quality of goods, but also perceived quality gained through promotion and sponsorship.

B) I don't believe that all big brand bats are not as good as custom made bats - especially for the average league cricketer!

C) There is obviously a distinct advantage to having a bat custom made for yourself, but equally, I am sure if you tried out 40 or 50 (or more) bats in a store you would find one that was 99.9% custom for you in feel, weight, etc - I mean there are only so many bat weights, shapes, sizes, etc.

D) Just because a bat isn't from a currently big brand name, e.g. GN or Kookaburra doesn't mean it won't be a good bat. After not playing cricket for 10 years my first bat back was a Stuart Surridge english willow bat (low grade) that cost me £35. I scored over 500 runs in 8 innings that season, averaging over 105. The bat - with an antiscuff sheet applied - had one surface crack at the end of that, it had an amazing middle, and was well worth the £35. I now play with a top of the range Duncan Fearnley Batwing (because I used to use them at school, and I got it off eBay for £50 RRP £200) and find it to be an excellent bat too - lovely middle, beautiful grains - excellent. Both SS and DF are out of favour at the moment, just because they don't sponsor big name players, but the bats are still really good.

E) A cricket bat is only as good as the person who uses it, and unless it's a total plank, or weighs way too much or too little, etc - I think the average league player can go with a brand name bat, and still get a good bat their purposes.

All in all then - I guess what I am saying is you need to buy a bat that suits you, not only in size, weight, etc but also what you can afford!

PS Sometimes it is easy to see which pros have just stickered their bats, e.g. Jaques Kallies when he was supposedly using a V1200 and used a bat with a bow in it, or Freddie using a Flame/Torch stickered up as his Wand. But for Kookaburra bats, with these graphite matrices on the back, how easy is it for Ricky Ponting, etc to have a different makers bat with that applied to it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2006 at 11:39am

Originally posted by matt

read what i wrote mate, 'bowed bats came to be because the indians couldn't figure out how to press them straight'.
and what you wrote is poor grammer.

I thought I made my point, you did not agree with me though. But still I am sure that Indian bats are not bowed only because the Indians do not know the art of pressing the bats straight.

The power bow, as is apparent from its name, is meant to give some additional power behind the ball while striking it. Thats all I meant. You can disagree at the point, as it is your birth right to disagree on anything and express your own point of view.

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