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Nice one Rambo! Want to just clarify, do you point your feet square or slightly angled and which direction if so? I maybe doing the same thing

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My mate has been practicing in the nets with me. Never been brilliant at keeping my wicket and always slogged. This season for the first time I'm seriously looking at my technique and trigger movement as i have problems with my feet. Never tried a trigger movement before but it seems to be working for me. I can now hit balls normally I would have missed. Just about to buy a new fusion bat with an oval handle, this may help me to encourage ground shots....we will see!
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I start with my feet really close together in what is probably best described as a crucnched up mess. When the bowler passes the umpire my feet spread outand my bat lifts up. This sometimes surprises particularly stupid bowlers. I stay predominately on the back foot, however i will come forward to half volleys.
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The best method to prevent the bottom hand coming through too much I believe is to have your bat before the bowler bowls in a cradle like position. I mean so you have the bat coming straight through, but there is nothing wrong with some bottom hand...whatever is comfortable
And trigger movements are useful in my opinion but don't move too much on to the front foot...I have my back foot coming across to middle and then am sort of raising my front foot on to the tip-toe as the ball is bowled.
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I just stand still. Maybe because there aren't many very quick bowlers at club level.. I'm also a beginner, could explain why. 
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Originally posted by bond2322

Which of you prefer to play off the back foot? Or more conventionally the front foot?


Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
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       As the bowler comes in i tend to move my front foot forward about two inches (force of habit). Makes me feel that little more confident knowing i can get to the pitch of the ball and smack it or rock back and pull or hook. My biggest weakness is cutting the ball so i definately favour the front foot.
 
       For years i played with my grip toward the splice but in the last couple of seasons i moved my grip up the top of the handle (like gilchrist) and i was amazed how much better i was striking the ball particularly pulling. I also one of the blokes who moves in and out of the crease a fair bit to stuff up the bowlers length. Some of you should try this if you havent already. It works (sometimes)Wink
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i have a problem of playing too much with my bottom hand no matter how much i reduce my grip from the bottom
i still end up playing with it. Also when i do sometimes
play with the top hand i hardly am able to move the bat much.
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I begin with a slighty more open stance and then press forward with my front foot. It just puts me in the right position to spank the ball to all corners of the ground.
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I  have the same problem with the bottom hand. Just about to try the gilly method. If you haven't heard about it, you put a squash ball in your bottom hand glove in the middle of your palm. This forces you to use your finger and thumb only. Also you might want to try an oval handle?
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My feet now are slightly angled. Before, I had my front foot too far across toward off, and it was in the way, and my balance was wrong when I tried to drive, I couldn't get my weight forward properly because the front foot wasn't travelling in the right direction, so neither was my weight, if you follow me.
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English club cricket has more medium pacers than anything. For them i dont really feel the need for a trigger movement. Same goes for all those fast bowlers who aren't really fast.

Where i do use a trigger movement is against bowlers with sheer pace. Mainly in 1st XI cricket although you get the odd one in 2nd XI cricket too. For them i tend to crouch and spring into the shot, it came naturally to me one day in the nets and i've used it ever since. Its pretty much what Brian Lara does.
 
I also use a trigger movement against spinners on slow low tracks. I take a half step forward and go from there. Unlike my trigger to the quicks, this is something i've introduced to my game on purpose to counter pitches with low bounce. I believe it was Inzamam who started it and then Duncan Fletcher introduced it to the whole England team, so thats where i got it from.
 
I'd say batting is something best kept simple, so i only use a trigger when i have to and not just for the sake of it.
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Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.
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Wel I have a prediliver movement whe my back-foot moves from outside leg to leg side and my front foot on middle-leg and straight, and then I let the ball come to me, I dont get to the pitch of the ball that ofte, I rely on driving on the up and cut shot for my offside shots or slashes backward of point, or if it is very full, then I'll maybe use the "V". Ohterwise I have all shots on the leg side, I stuggle allitlebit with the on drive, but do not hold back when it is shot. In my cricketing year, I only went out on the pull twice.
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Originally posted by W.G.

Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.
I'd call it playing early, playing late would cause the ball to go down due to the angle of the bat face.
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Originally posted by Smack

Originally posted by W.G.

Originally posted by Isura

Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot.
I'd call that being late on the ball and risking a dolly to mid on.

I'd call it playing early, playing late would cause the ball to go down due to the angle of the bat face.

If you are playing off the back foot you are, by definition, playing the ball late - if you are driving (I assume the OP meant that when he said punching) it is nigh on impossible to do so off the back foot with any great power and invariably the ball is played in the air ........ try it, or at least think about it, before you reply.

To be in full control of the shot at all times you need to play the shot with a straight bat, this means you need to compensate for your weight being forward by keeping your head over the ball - which in turn means you will be playing the shot with your bottom hand only, hence the risk of a dolly to cover or mid-on.

 



Edited by W.G. - 15 May 2007 at 6:11am
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i have a problem with keeping balance when playing on the front foot i don't have much control over my body when i'm not able to balance what do u reckon i do to
get better conrol and balance when playing on the front foot?
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Get yourself a couple of house bricks and position them where you would normally place your feet for a front foot drive.  Stand on the bricks.  Get someone to lob you a few balls and practice driving without moving your feet - you will feel off-balance to start but will quickly adjust.  When you next play the shot in normal stance (i.e., lose the bricks) you will be amazed at the difference to your balance.  You can apply this technique to a range of shots to gradually improve your balance.

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Originally posted by W.G.

If you are playing off the back foot you are, by definition, playing the ball late - if you are driving (I assume the OP meant that when he said punching) it is nigh on impossible to do so off the back foot with any great power and invariably the ball is played in the air ........ try it, or at least think about it, before you reply.

To be in full control of the shot at all times you need to play the shot with a straight bat, this means you need to compensate for your weight being forward by keeping your head over the ball - which in turn means you will be playing the shot with your bottom hand only, hence the risk of a dolly to cover or mid-on.

You really do not know what you are talking about. Your entire post is full of misunderstandings.
 
1) You've twisted the definition of playing the ball late. Playing the ball early is playing the shot slightly before the ball has reached you. Playing late is playing the shot slightly after the ball has reached you. According to you playing on the front foot = playing early and playing on the back foot = playing late. I'm sitting here laughing at your misunderstanding of playing the ball late/early. It has nothing to do with being on the front foot or back foot i.e. you can still play the ball early whilst on the back foot and play the ball late when on the front foot.
 
2) You claim that it is "nigh impossible" to drive off the back foot with any power. Therefore you claim the only way to drive off the back foot is to force the ball resulting in the risk of giving a catch. Ever heard of timing? If you wanted to hit the ball in the air off the back foot then yes you would have to force the ball, but guess what...you'd still be playing early not late.
 
3) If his bottom hand is coming into the shot and he is risking a catch to cover or mid on then he is playing early not late. If he was playing late he would be risking chopping the ball onto his stumps.
 
4) How is his weight forward when he's on the back foot? Thats the whole point of going on the back foot, your weight is back not forward.
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You really do not know what you are talking about. Your entire post is full of misunderstandings.
That's me - not the faintest idea what I am on about, absolutely clueless
 
Originally posted by Smack

You've twisted the definition of playing the ball late. Playing the ball early is playing the shot slightly before the ball has reached you. Playing late is playing the shot slightly after the ball has reached you. According to you playing on the front foot = playing early and playing on the back foot = playing late. I'm sitting here laughing at your misunderstanding of playing the ball late/early. It has nothing to do with being on the front foot or back foot i.e. you can still play the ball early whilst on the back foot and play the ball late when on the front foot.
No not at all, you see you need to read what people write in relation to the post they are responding to and not take a single post at face value and, therefore, out of context.  If you are attempting to "punch the ball back over the bowler's head" (the post I was responding to before you threw your 5 pence worth in) you are playing the ball too late as a back foot drive should not result in that shot decision ......... I won't wait for your apology.  My point had nowt to do with being on the front or back foot - but being on the back foot whilst aiming to drive the ball back over the bowler's head - understand now?
 
Originally posted by Smack

You claim that it is "nigh impossible" to drive off the back foot with any power. Therefore you claim the only way to drive off the back foot is to force the ball resulting in the risk of giving a catch. Ever heard of timing? If you wanted to hit the ball in the air off the back foot then yes you would have to force the ball, but guess what...you'd still be playing early not late.
Not quite getting to grips with the point, are we?  Of course you can drive off the back foot - but the intention is to keep it on the carpet not launch it over the bowler's head - if it ends up being airborne you are late on the ball.
 
Originally posted by Smack

If his bottom hand is coming into the shot and he is risking a catch to cover or mid on then he is playing early not late. If he was playing late he would be risking chopping the ball onto his stumps.
Oh dear, oh dear oh dear - pass me the coaching manual.
 
Originally posted by Smack

How is his weight forward when he's on the back foot? Thats the whole point of going on the back foot, your weight is back not forward.
Two options here - I either provide you with endless links to correct technique when playing a front back {edited for clarity} drive, or you admit you have opened your mouth and planted both your feet firmly in your orifice?  Choice is yours?


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^ its funny that despite being proved wrong, you stubbornly stick to your guns and try to save a sinking ship. Your understanding of
playing the ball late is way off the mark, i hope you practice better than you preach.
 
Its a fact if you hit the ball straight over the bowlers head driving off the back foot you would need to meet the ball at an earlier point than if you were to hit the ball along the ground. If you played the ball late, the ball would most likely go behind square not over the bowlers head.
 
 
^ look at the angle of his bat how is the ball going to go in the air to mid on/mid off from there?
 
 
Originally posted by W.G.

Two options here - I either provide you with endless links to correct technique when playing a front foot drive, or you admit you have opened your mouth and planted both your feet firmly in your orifice?  Choice is yours?
LOOOL am i talking to brick wall here or something? Were talking about back foot drives here not front foot drives. Let me say it again when playing a BACK foot drive, your weight is back NOT forward.


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LOOOL am i talking to brick wall here or something? Were talking about back foot drives here not front foot drives. Let me say it again when playing a BACK foot drive, your weight is back NOT forward.
Apologies that in my exasperation over your ignorance I typed 'front' when I intended to say 'back'.

In closing ....... read your earlier post, then look at your graphic - then ask yourself "where is the batsman's weight"?

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LOL i think you need to correct a few more of your mis-types.

Kids please ignore anyone who thinks your weight should be forward when playing the back foot drive. You weight should be on your back foot.
 
Good luck with your views WG, you definately need it. I guess it takes all sorts to make the world.
 
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To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook.

Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early.


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To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook.

Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early.
Cheers Kerm, but I stand by my view that being late on a back foot drive will result in a dolly - think bat angle, think ball still rising.
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Taken from the same BBC web-site that Smack lifted his graphic from:

"To prevent the ball spooning to cover when you make contact, ensure your head is over the ball.

This means your weight will be forward, which will keep the ball on the ground when you play the shot."

So Smack - doubly wrong ........ because if you are playing this your way, with your weight back, you're presenting that dolly.


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If you would care to highlight all my other spelling mistakes or typos I would be delighted to change them.




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Originally posted by Kerm

To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook.

Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early.
Yep your right. Your weight is on the back foot for a back foot defence but then as you play the back foot drive your weight transfers forward into the shot. I got the two mixed up. You can play the back foot drive with your weight back but its not the techically correct method of doing it.
 
Getting back to the main point which started this whole thing, your right again. As i was trying to tell W.G. if you play the ball in the air off the back foot your playing too early.
 


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As you've already proven yourself ignorant of technique I have no further interest in this discussion.
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^ in other words your not big enough to conceed defeat when your wrong therefore you'd rather stubbornly pretend your right and leave it there. Congratulations on pretending your the fountain of all cricket knowledge but you didn't even know the meaning of playing the ball early or late. I think that says it all about you and your knowledge.
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There's only one of us still going on about it - and it's not me sunshine.
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This one's for Shane Warnabee's bottom hand problem.  I just joined the forum, so you may excuse the delayed tip.

You have mentioned not one, but two problems with your grip:
1.  You use your bottom hand a lot.
2.  Even when you try, you still end up using the bottom hand.

The best possible grip to reduce a bottom hand, is the pincer grip.  Meaning, only your thumb, forefinger grip the handle.  The other fingers, just support the first two.  To put it in even more simple terms - make sure that your bottom palm, never touches the handle.

This takes a lot of getting used to, especially, if you are used to using your bottom hand.  But persist with practice, it will eventually come good (if you are that committed to reducing your bottom hand that is).

2.  If you have tried that, and still end up using your bottom hand, then you might want to see, where exactly your top hand rests.  Most bottom handed players, grip their handle, as close to the shoulder blade as possible.  If your hands are still in the same place as before, and you try the pincer or any other grip to reduce your bottom hand, then it may not work.  For your top hand to be more effective, then it needs to be higher, towards the end of the handle.

If you hold the bat there with your upper hand, and use the pincer grip for your bottom hand, there is no way, your bottom hand will come in play.  As I said before, it takes lots of practice to get used to.

Hope that helps.



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