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    Posted: 17 April 2007 at 11:40am
Since the semi finals are around the corner, just thought I'd make a thread for it. Discuss...
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Australia will beat South Africa, Sri Lanka will beat New Zealand and we'll have a repeat of the 96 final, only with Australia winning. South Africa have had on- and off- days, but even on their best day they won't beat the Aussies, while NZ and SL have both been pretty consistent, SL have been more so, and the pitches have been perfect for them
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I'm still backing England to win. =p
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The reception party is already gathering at Joburg International Kerm - lots of rotten tomatoes awaiting the boys!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kerm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2007 at 1:36pm
Heh good to hear, I have a bet on England winning the whole world cup. Blissful ignorance of being an England cricket fan. 
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Denial mate , a classic symptom and I'm as culpable as you.  Maybe you'll get better though , sadly , I'm a hopeless case (ask the missus!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kerm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2007 at 1:53pm
If anything i'm getting gradually worse, it must be an English thing, expecting your side to win despite there being no real reason why they would or should win... and yet watching every single ball of the beating just in case something special happens... and it very rarely does.

Ah well, whatever happens i'll be here in my ODI shirt cheering along.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tonks007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 2:53am
Originally posted by Chin Music

Australia will beat South Africa, Sri Lanka will beat New Zealand and we'll have a repeat of the 96 final, only with Australia winning. South Africa have had on- and off- days, but even on their best day they won't beat the Aussies, while NZ and SL have both been pretty consistent, SL have been more so, and the pitches have been perfect for them
I agree 100% with all of this. Im sure before the WC not too many would have picked SL and Aus for the final. Australia were wriiten off after losing to the poms over here and getting thumped by the Kiwi's over there. Around here, the word was that it would be a NZ or SL versus South Africa with the pommies finishing 4th. Well all i can say is Tongue! We have at least made the 4 (pretty comfortably too)Wink
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Aussie wern't written off by anyone with decent amount of cricket knowledge, just a few young forum experts.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tonks007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 3:45am
Originally posted by 143no

Aussie wern't written off by anyone with decent amount of cricket knowledge, just a few young forum experts.
That's true but i meant around here in old Sydney town! And your right, no knowledge of cricket whatsoever!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gambler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 5:23am
Originally posted by tonks007

Im sure before the WC not too many would have picked SL and Aus for the final.
 
 
Well mark me down as one of those that did....Smile. Those are the 2 teams I got money on (since start of the tournament) to win the WC.
 
I must admit to feeling a bit nervous about the Kiwis though. They will be a threat. SL will have a tough semi on their hands here. It could go either way.  
 
SA would have a decent chance against the Aussies if the match was being played on the bouncy Barbados pitch...but I dont give them much hope on a slow St Lucia wicket.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 6:37am
Agreed Gambs , the conditions won't be favourable for the South Africans , but they can still win. If they do it'll be in a high scoring match - something we haven't seen at all in this tournament.  The other match should be a close affair too , too tight to call with any confidence at all.

      The best four sides have made the semis , so for all the bitching and moaning , the format can't be all wrong. Yes , the thing has taken forever , but we might just have an adrenalin rush over the final three matches.
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To be honest, I don't see SA beating the Aussies, but it's not impossible. If their batsmen all fire on the day, they can be truly devastating, and not even the omnipotent Aussies would be able handle them. But that's a huge IF.
 
As for the other semi-, I see Sri Lanka topping the Kiwi's yet again. Now before Bond2322 strikes me down for saying that, let me reiterate that it's only a guess based on the previous match in the tournament.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tonks007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 8:34am
     Even if SA's batsmen fire, Australia have a much better batting attack  Hayden, Ponting, Clarke, Symonds in top form, Hodge/Watson (both in good touch but not sure who will be picked) while Gilchrist/Hussey are due to fire and McGrath, Bracken, Tait and Hogg all in good form.
 
    If Australia bat first they will definately win and if they bat 2nd they will have a 99% chance of winning. LOL
 
      Their only hope is that Australia have a disasterous day of monumental proportions. The sun may shine on their bums that day! Sri Lanka & NZ on the other hand.....They will have to do it tough to stop the world champions getting 3 in a row.
 
Boy, i have been wrong before, lets hope this isn't another one of those rare occasions!Wink


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I won't deny that Aussies have an awesome lineup, but I wouldn't say that it's much better than the Proteas. In the context of this tournament, who have been doing better?
Hayden - Smith    -> Hayden
Ponting - Kallis   -> Kallis
Clarke - Gibbs    -> Gibbs
Symonds - Boucher    -> Boucher
Watson - Prince    -> Watson
Gilchrist - De Villiers    -> De Villiers
McGrath - Langeveldt     -> McGrath
Bracken - Hall        -> ???
Tait - Nel.      -> Tait
 
We don't have an answer for Hogg. Pietersen is nowhere close.
 
But my point is that SA players have been doing just as well as Aussie players. If they all get it right on the same day, the way the Aussies usually do, they'll put on a good contest.
 
*Edit* I compared Gilly with AB because they're both opening bats, and Boucher with Symmonds because they're both big-hitters.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote tonks007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 9:27am
        Disagree with a fair bit of that Mojo. Kallis better than Ponting??? Boucher better than Symonds??? Watson better than Prince??? And no, South Africa's players have not been doing just as well as the Aussie players. Australia undefeated in 1st, South Africa loses to Bangladesh and NZ and are in 4th so i think that takes that out of the equation.
 
    Wow, that is a very interesting statement.....If all of South Africa's players are on fire and all of the Aussie players have suddenly gone bad, then yes i agree with you but what are the chances of the entire Australia team going to butter?
 
      But that is your opinion and i respect it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2007 at 9:29am
  It's not that simple Mojo - the dynamics within a side can't be measured , neither can confidence. The South Africans at breakfast today will be a totally different bunch than that  that gathered yesterday.  Winning so comprehensively is a major boost and they have the  memory of that beating of Australia last year.
      They won't start favourites , but that won't bother them overmuch and they will give it a full go. 
       Australia fear no-one , but they're yet to be really pushed in this competition and they might not look so invulnerable if the South Africans start well. 
       I suspect the South Africans will want to bat first if they win the toss and then post a big score (270-300). They'll back their attack to make life difficult for the Aussie top order and hopefully see some rash shots by the opposition when trying to reduce the required runrate.

   Aussie crushed SA first time around , I don't think we'll see such a one sided affair next week.
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        Disagree with a fair bit of that Mojo. Kallis better than Ponting??? Boucher better than Symonds??? Watson better than Prince???
 
I meant purely in the context of this tournament... Kallis has performed much better than Ponting... The other two are touch-and-go.
 
Tonks, to be honest, I don't expect SA to beat Australia. But to be fair to them, they're not a totally trash side. They've beaten a fully fit Aussie side on numerous occasions. The Aussies are the better side on paper, but very few teams can put down the Proteas when they're playing at their best.
 
Of course, all remains to be seen whether or not they actually do play at their best.
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And no, South Africa's players have not been doing just as well as the Aussie players.
I meant as individuals, not the team as a whole. SA's key to winning is to have all their players firing together, which sadly hasn't been the case so far in this tournament.


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  It's not that simple Mojo - the dynamics within a side can't be measured , neither can confidence.
 
I know what you mean, Sledger, but my point in doing that was simply to show that the SA players have been putting in some pretty decent performances. That's all.
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Kallis performed much better than Ponting? Give it a rest. What a ridiculous thing to say. Kallis has made runs but often in doing so he has made them so slowly his team has wound up in trouble. Ask any captain in the world cup who's performances they would take out of Ponting and Kallis and they would take Ponting without thinking twice.
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I don't know why I fell like this but I have a gut feeling that the final would be NZ Vs SA.
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"They've got everything covered," said Johnston. "They've got pace, [Brad] Hogg is bowling well, and if [Shane] Watson comes back that balances them perfectly - he's crucial to them I believe. And their top order is fantastic. But New Zealand look pretty good with [Shane] Bond, and they have got two good spinners and guys that bat and bowl in the middle order. South Africa look dangerous as well and can be pretty awesome on their day. But in my opinion, it'll be Australia and Sri Lanka in the final."
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I prefered the team we have been playing, I just don't rate watson.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2007 at 6:29am
 Hogg's place must be secure and Hodge brings steel to the lower order (batting at 7 !!) as well as terrific fielding. Watson's not needed , he won't get a place at the top of the order now that Hayden's in such great form and the bowlers are taking 10 wickets in each match - why change at all?

   Have to say I think Hogg's looked on as the journeyman of the side - he much , much better than that.
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If I was an Aussie, my concern would be with Tait at the moment. Fast he may be, but he just doesn't look dangerous. He's being taken apart by everyone.
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I agree , he's a wicket taker and has justified his selection . He'll always go for runs , as Lee does , I don't think they'll ever play in the same side though , that's a too run friendly  selection.
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