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spin wizard
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Topic: weak core musclesPosted: 29 September 2011 at 1:25am |
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Squats are out of the picture for me. My knees don't react well to them after.
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 6:51pm |
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Here's a bunch that should work abs, obliques, back, legs. Google any of these if you don't know what they are:
Front plank, side planks, reverse plank. Add 'bobbles' and leg raise into these once you're able. Russian twists (with or without medicine ball) Leg raises Windscreen wipers Side sit-ups Squats and lunges (if you can move on to single leg squats you will be a strong fellow) Bicycles Back raises and bridges Squirm crunch Jack-knives These things have various other names, but if you can do all these you'll be pretty strong. Here's a fairly good website that covers most things:
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spin wizard
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Posted: 28 September 2011 at 1:47pm |
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Say what you want, but crunch after crunch is one of the reasons I don't carry around a big belly infront of me. Anyhow, all joke aside, you have a point. I basically use to do those same crunch after crunch. While it helped me to be a bit fitter and make me eat more without putting on weight, I realise that as far as the back goes, it was probably a wrong move. I have now realise that you can't do one crunch, you have to do the complete set, like obliques, back stretches and planks etc. |
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Posted: 27 September 2011 at 10:50pm |
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Too often I see people in the gym performing crunch after crunch to try and improve core strength. Studies have proven this to be dangerous for the spine and an ineffective way to train the core. The core’s main function is to stabilize or prevent movement. This is not to say that flexion or extension should be totally neglected because you do need to have this type of core strength especially if you are a sports person.
Check out this article for more on this topic and see the video below of some core strength exercise progressions that you can incorporate into your workouts. Core Strength and Stability Rollout Progression - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWCgrN7UwU Core Training Anti Lateral Flexion (Landmine) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZcTiM-aZ58
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 4:39pm |
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Yep, well, I know I'm in agreement!
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Ives16
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 2:34pm |
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So we are all agreed then.
Jogging improves general fitness?
(As was stated about 79 messages ago!)
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:36pm |
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True but some stamina gained from jogging might mean you can spend longer time doing some longer core exercise.
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 9:07am |
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Obviously any form of exercise is only going to benefit your general levels of fitness, and help you out in any given sport.
(Except pub sports, such as darts, snooker, etc, etc - where drinking copious amounts of alcohol increase perceived performance, if not results!)
But you don't NEED to be a prime physical specimin to be good at a stop start sport such as cricket.
And you certainly don't NEED to jog to increase core strength.
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:15am |
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If your a little podgy, even walking will increase your agility.. |
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Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:10am |
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Well, to be honest NZ_Fast, I was an unfit lad before I started playing hard ball cricket and as soon as I started to jog which was the only exercise bar playing cricket, it increased my fitness and I guess a lot of other things to but a few days after doing my first joggin, I noticed after walking in I was quicker at turning and chasing balls.
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 10:50pm |
Your agility increased? So you are able to make sharp turns etc quicker now? Well that is possible, though it could improve more if you did specific agility training like ladders.
In theory and it seems like you've proven it, jogging will help you to run faster, but this comes back to the fact it has increased the efficiency of your respitory system, allowing you to maintain a higher speed for longer, but sprint/interval training over all is more effective.
Oh and Ives, yes there are world class players who are not physically that fit, but lets be honest, who here on these forums are that talented? Us more normal folk need to train hard to get the most we can out of our bodies.
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:27pm |
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You are missing the point mate.
Which is that you don't need to be super-fit to be a world class cricketer.
Inzamam Ul Haq
Eddo Brandes
Brian McMillan
Shane Warne
I'm sure Gayle is quick (sprinting - fast twitch fibres and all that).
But I can't see the king of cool getting up early and jogging for 5 miles every other morning can you?
Symonds on the other hand is obviously well into his running, and aerobically probably one of the fittest.
But he'll get his core strength in the gym! - (if it isn't natural anyway!)
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:20pm |
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Ives16, do you know that Gayle is actually the fastest sprinter on the Windies team - believe it or not!
Anyhow, from my own experience, jogging does a lot. My agility increased, I got fitter and even faster at running.
A lot of fitness things recommended today is to jog, run, jog, run as someone mentioned somewhere above and two of the fittest lads I know said they use to do sprints which makes you fitter quicker them say. Like 5 short distance sprints but if you want stamina, jogging is sure as hell very good.
I once saw Symonds jog around the st. vincent playing field with a brisk pace and he did a lot of laps - no wonder he is so damn fit!
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 10:07am |
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Oh my, i can't believe what trollop i was posting about fitness for cricket before.
Sure jogging will have some effect because it will increase the capacity and efficiency of your respitory system, thus allowing you to 'repay your oxygen debt' quicker such as the time between overs or ball chases. BUT, this is not specific (a major point of the universal "principles of training") to cricket. Sprints (particuarly interval training) is excellent for developing your fast-twitch muscles unlike jogging which is slow twitch oriented. You then build stamina by doing things like doing a few reps of 100m at 70-80% max speed. Resistance training will help with your power and strength, though dont start doing things like bicep curls....why? well again specificity, when on the field do you do an action like a bicep curl???? Training 'movements' is much better; free weights are best for this though if your like me and cant/dont want to join a gym you can use your own bodyweight to great effect. Do things like 'wood chops' or 'planks' for core, push ups for triceps and chest (excellent for throwing) and inverted rows for errr more chest though different muscles and shoulders....I think you get the idea. Edited by NZ_Fast - 09 July 2008 at 10:11am |
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 9:35am |
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Jesse Ryder
Rob Key
Scott Styris
Phil Jaques
Chris Gayle
Mike Gatting
All well known joggers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 9:32am |
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Jogging is not cricket specific, but obviously helps these individuals.
Most top level coaches will develop a programme for each individual. This might include Andrew Symonds to do some jogging.
I doubt Vaughan's knee surgeon will like him pounding the roads!
On the other hand, the players you've named might enjoy it.
(Especially when on tour and away from the wife and kids!)
But going back to the original question of core strength.
Ask a qualified coach (Preferably level 3), they will know best, and make any program specific to your build, weight, strength, etc.....
(By the way Tyke, wouldn't be from Barnsley would you with a name like that?)
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 6:38am |
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For that matter I've never been able to resist when a chocolate cake is on the table and the rule is free-for-all!
Maybe I need to some resistance training!
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Posted: 09 July 2008 at 5:56am |
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Resistance training huh - I like the sound of that! I've never
been able to resist that ABF in the pub or that last pringle , I must
be a natural!
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Posted: 08 July 2008 at 8:57pm |
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I actually jog quite a bit and have noticed that I have gotten weaker. My pace has dropped as long with my strength. However, jogging mixed with a solid routine of resistance training will do wonders. It's just the matter of going out there and doing it!
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Posted: 30 July 2007 at 5:03pm |
Jogging is an excellent form of exercise. It will improve your health and reduce your risk of several nasty diseases. I highly recommend it for general health reasons, especially if you enjoy it. It also has almost no crossover to cricket performance. Physiologists base their methods on principles like Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demand (SAID). That's why a lot of people say to get fit for cricket you need to play cricket. That's true to a big extent. Don't take my word for it. Listen to this guy: http://functionalpathtraining.blogspot.com/2007/02/train-for-work-capacity-not-endurance.html At the end of it all (and I won't post again in this topic because I don't think we are going anywhere with the discussion), I believe performance comes from understanding what we do on the pitch then working on those elements in practice. |
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Posted: 06 July 2007 at 4:38pm |
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Oh, thanks!
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Posted: 06 July 2007 at 1:06am |
Pretty much your ab's, and to an extent your lower back muscles |
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Posted: 05 July 2007 at 9:08pm |
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I don't even know what the core muscle is.
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Posted: 05 July 2007 at 4:01pm |
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Irrespective of the pros and cons of jogging, it has nothing at all to do with building up the core muscles, which was the original question asked.
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Posted: 03 July 2007 at 6:02pm |
OK, let's turn this into a slightly different scenario using a different sport that doesn't involve jogging. This would be boxing.
"Think about what you do in the ring. Do you run around for 20-40 minutes non stop or do you stop, start, and stand still for varied periods of time?"
If it can't be applied to cricket, where you do move about at, at least a jog pace, then why would it be valued in a sport where you don't do any jogging? Are you going to say that they should do step ups instead because it's more relevant?
Jogging is a very good form of exercise and is severely undervalued by physiologists and fitness coaches, especially in cricket.
As for the internationals that jog, they do exactly that, jog. Steady pace, long distance jogging. Not varied pace, etc.
And some of these internationals are the fittest players on the planet. And some are knocking on yet are fitter than most of the younger players who don't jog.
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Lets forget about what people say they do, the physiological facts speak for themselves.
Cricket does not require a steady state level of fitness. Think about what you do on the pitch. Do you run around for 20-40 minutes non stop or do you stop, start, sprint, jog, run and stand still for varied periods of time? There is no physiologist or fitness coach who would advocate steady state jogging for cricket. Maybe they did 10-15 years ago but not these days. I'm no expert on those International names that were listed but I'm willing to bet they do interval or fartlek running rather than straight up jogging. That is to say, slow jog for 1 minute, sprint for 30 secs, walk for 2 mins, run for 1 min etc. In that way you could call that jogging, but it is different from running at the same speed for extended periods. That has the effect of building stamina and recovery between intervals in exactly the same way as happens on the pitch. By the way, I'm no knocking jogging if people enjoy it, just saying you need to be aware of it's limitations as a training tool for cricket. There are better ways. |
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OK, I had always thought they did it to get the extra stamina to last for 4/5days. |
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:22am |
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NZ_Fast, yeah, B.Bracewell is right there. Jogging has next to zero effect on your body if you run for less than 40 mins. Same as walking where effects start after 20mins.
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I read on a page by Brendon Bracewell a couple of years ago that young pace bowlers should be going for runs (jogging) for 45 mins at least 3 times a week. It has been recently removed from the page, but he must know what he is talking about being a coach of up and coming pace bowlers.
I personnally never had my runs this long, it seemed a bit exsessive with trying to fit everything else of life in. Edited by NZ_Fast - 27 June 2007 at 4:14am |
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