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Topic: weak core musclesPosted: 19 June 2007 at 5:20pm |
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hi
I have very weak core muscles. Has anyone got any suggestions on how to improve core strength. I constantly injure my back due to this and have very tight legs, hips etc which affects my game.
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Posted: 19 June 2007 at 7:02pm |
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Jogging, eating meat should help do a trick or two and my favourite, push ups!!
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The Tyke
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Posted: 19 June 2007 at 7:22pm |
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Put a bit of weight into a back pack and jog with it on. This should strengthen the muscles in your back (as well as your shoulders). Press ups are also good.
Crunches (a kind of sit ups with legs raised) will sort out your stomach muscles.
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Posted: 19 June 2007 at 9:37pm |
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I'll tell you something, the core is the single most misunderstood part of the body in cricket.
My first question would be this: How do you know weak core muscles are to blame for your back injury? Second, if you have tight muscles in your hips, core training is not going to help too much. You need to stretch and work on your mobility. Anyway, you can't go far wrong with training your core but it should be part of a proper balanced training plan that trains all your muscles and energy systems you need for playing better cricket. Don't fall for gimmicks, learn what your core does and replicate it in your training. |
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Posted: 19 June 2007 at 9:38pm |
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Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 7:23am |
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Deadlifts will fix your lower back muscles. I didn't deadlift for fear of injuring my bad back again for a long time, but that made things worse (muscle imbalance). The muscles cramped like hell the first few times after deadlifting but now I have virtually no back problems anymore.
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 11:29am |
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A qualified physio can tell you about this better than any internet stranger
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 4:55pm |
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Yeah, then your agility must be real low then!! Jogging is important in every sport to get fit!
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 5:17pm |
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You won't catch me jogging. |
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 5:36pm |
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jogging is pretty useless for cricket as cricket is one sport you don't have to run about all the time.
short and medium distance sprints as well as the shuttle run thingy suits cricket much better (cricket is a stop-start sport). |
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 9:15pm |
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Exactly.
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Posted: 20 June 2007 at 9:32pm |
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Jogging increases the Volume capacity of the lungs and improves cardiac output which lowers your resting heart rate.
This in itself is a major advantage in cricket as it allows people to do more before they become tired. Bowlers can bowl longer spells and batsmen can stay at the crease longer before they get tired.
So it is very useful for cricket.
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:54am |
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As far as i can see its important to build a decent aerobic base (jogging), expecially as a bowler to repay your oxygen debt quicker due to larger left ventricle and all that ho hah. But the likes of shuttles (interval training?) is just as important for bowlers to specifically train as you were bowling, assuming your a pace bowler that is. Nothing beats running in and bowling at the nets though.
More to the question, in the first post, id talk to a qualified cricket coach, he/she should know better than anyone on here. But i solved my slight back issues with good old fashioned crunches. Edited by NZ_Fast - 21 June 2007 at 7:57am |
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 9:36am |
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But I have now lowered my resting heart rate to 50bpm - and I don't jog, jut do resistance (weights) training.
Jogging burns a lot of calories - no argument there - but it won't help you get stronger or build muscle. Too much jogging will actually have the opposite effect.
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 3:44pm |
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Hummmm, a lot you seen to take jogging as a nothing exercise. Ask Andrew Symonds why he is pretty fit then. I saw Symonds make about 15 laps around the international stadium back here and at a great pace too. If it wasn't important to cricket, why was he doing it then. Jogging builds the heart, lungs, thighs, calf, helps you lose weight. Come on, be realistic fellas, it's very important!
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 5:34pm |
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Thighs? Squat, lunges, leg presses, extensions... I never train my calves, but I do a lot of walking. Jogging is for masochists who want to ruin their knees. |
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 6:58pm |
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Hummmmmm, then I guess all long distance runners knees are no good!
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:24pm |
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That's Malinga and Nixon with knee problems then. Also add Symonds to that list and there's probably plenty more cricketers that you can add.
Your statement is on unfounded evidence.
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:50pm |
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Being a keeper, I'd be surprised if Nixon didn't have dodgy knees anyway... But it is a fact that jogging is very tough on the knees, especially when you run on hard surfaces.
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The Tyke
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 8:01pm |
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Well that's true but it's just like saying that lifting weights is tough on the biceps/triceps.
Everything in moderation is good, but overdoing it can be dangerous. Edited by The Tyke - 21 June 2007 at 8:01pm |
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 6:28am |
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Its not really that difficult as far as i can see. Their is a place for jogging in training for cricket, but that alone is by no means sufficient in itself, and should not be the major compenent of training you do.
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 8:22am |
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The knee is a joint. Cartiledge damage to the knees, and damage to the ligaments, is entirely different to deliberately overloading the muscles. The idea is to damage the muscle so that it repairs itself stronger. Damage to joints and ligaments is not desirable. Permanent injury may well result, and cumulative damage to the joint can cause chronic problems later.
There are other forms of cardio excercise without the same risks, so why jog, unless it is particularly relevant to your sport, which it is not?
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 4:55pm |
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Jogging makes you good at jogging. If you want to jog go for it, but the crossover onto the cricket pitch is minimal.
One of the principles of fitness is specific adaption to demand. The demands of cricket are different to the demands of jogging. interval sprints improve cardiovascular measures and are far more reflective of what happens on the pitch. |
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 4:56pm |
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Oh and jogging is not good for the core whichever way you look at it.
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:03pm |
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There is a place for cardiovascular conditioning yes. But conditioning for cricket is more about the work capacity (vv02Max) than the total Oxygen uptake. Remember research has shown that slow steady distance running detracts from speed and explosiveness. I'd rather be able to run faster and hit the ball harder. |
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:11pm |
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Agility has nothing to do with jogging. Agility is how fast you can change direction at speed. Jogging has neither. I don't know of any research into steady state cardio activity that shows a transfer to sport performance. |
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:11pm |
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And then not be able to carry on to make the ton.
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:38pm |
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anyone got any ideas how to stay more mentally fit?
because sometimes i play games and i feel mentally tired rather than phisically tired
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Posted: 22 June 2007 at 7:18pm |
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Chess and Meditation. Chess because it's very challenging mentally so it will increase your mental strength. Meditation is good because it's like sleep, it reinvigorates the mind. |
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