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    Posted: 02 November 2009 at 8:58pm
The West Indies have named their Test squad: Chris Gayle (captain), Adrian Barath, Sulieman Benn, Dwayne Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Narsingh Deonarine, Travis Dowlin, Brendan Nash, Denesh Ramdin, Ravi Rampaul, Kemar Roach, Darren Sammy, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Jerome Taylor, Gavin Tonge

A mix of the old and the new - Tonge, Roach in particular and Barath is maybe the surprise pick but someone has to open the batting with Gayle and Smith and co. have been pretty poor in recent times.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2009 at 10:12pm
Roach isn't a surprise pick JP, anyone sending down deliveries at 94 MPH will get a look in.  Even guys back here who criticise the guys for accepting to play when the bigger boys were on strike, they all had Roach in their squad to go Australia.
 
Edwards is injured and that's a pretty bad miss there.  He's been very hostile for the last year and has done very well against all teams.  Taylor, while keep talented, I'm still worried and not all that convinced anymore about him - he's too up and down.  Tonge line and length plus bounce, although not a great pace, will be a bit handy. 
 
While I expect the Aussies to win, I think the Windies will put in some few surprises along the way.  Benn hasn't really impressed me much in his short international career and this could very well be his last tour if he don't step it up.
 
The Gabba is for the first game, the Aussies hasn't lost there since 1988 and that's the worst place to start a tour of Aussie, seeing it's the typical ground they love, help for bowlers yet good for quality batsmen.
 
This could be a good time for Lee to comeback in Test Cricket, he has Ramnaresh Sarwan's number and Gayle is suspect to full swingers early up, something that Lee has used well to him in the past.  Gayle will be rampant guys, Johnson, Lee or whoever the bowling attack is will have to ease off of the short stuff and keep it full.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:39am
Only one warm up game again which is unfortunate as these guys haven't played much together of late.
Wrist spinners bowl a lot better in Australia and the wickets better suit it so Dave Mohammed might have been a good pick. Although I still would have gone in with Benn or Nikita Miller.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:26am
I saw Nikita Miller bowl in the Champions Trophy and he did very well against us. Hes a better bowler then Benn in my opinion, he should be here.

Hopefully we wont lose to many more players in the India ODIs and wont have to field an Australia B team!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 3:33am

Miller's FC figures is comparable to Mendis.That's why he is in Mody's Army.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 4:31am
I picked Mendis and Saqqi
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 5:16am
Maybe just a bit too early for the thread to start. What will be the bowling line Spin? I think it is a very depleted bowling unit. Tonge and Rampaul are certainly not test match material.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 12:52pm
With Fidel Edwards missing, we have lost a vital part of the line up.  I don't care how good the Aussies are against pace, he would have intimidated them, especially Hughes - Edwards is a typical Windies fast bowler, a barrage of short stuff would have been directed at his body.  Roach doesn't bowl short to often, he tries to keep it fuller so we've lost that bit of hostility.
 
Zuhair, Rampaul is a very capable fast bowler, can move the ball both ways but he's been out of form in the recent T20 so from that, it doesn't seem he'll have a good tour but he has potential to take wickets.  Tonge in his first 2 ODI's bowled short of a length, he went on to improve a lot by bowling fuller in the CT.  Any bowler who can extract bounce will always prosper at pitching it up, it's not easy to control a drive to a rising ball.
 
I hope Taylor bowls well, if he do, Ponting won't make 30 in any of the games!  So, all in all, Benn can't bowl (I don't rate him), Rampaul is out of form and JT is never good after such a long lay off.  The pace attack has potential, if they play together for the next two years, they'll become quite good.  If Roach knocks down a few batsman, I'll be happy, even if we lose, cause that's already on the cards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2009 at 2:05am
Originally posted by milkman

I picked Mendis and Saqqi


I thought this was a international series thread,not a sim discussion thread!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2009 at 12:28pm
Raj, Miller is a very tidy bowler but won't spin it on decent tracks.  He bowls a touch slower than Benn which gives him a bit of an advantage.   Miller bowls an outside off stump line, which is wrong - any quality player of spin will even go back to length balls and cut/late cut them.  Saw Symonds took advantage of him like that once!  He bowled White with a beauty in the CT, pitched between middle and off and hit off stump, that's the line he has to bowl, make them play with fear of getting lbw or bowl if they make an error - that's why Warnie was so good, you had to play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 6:31am
Good to see the top Windies lads back , but I have reservations about their team spirit, Just how happy a band will they be and will the non-strikers be pleased to welcome the old boys back into the fold?  
          How fragile is the truce ? The WICB have reneged on agreements before and I don't think we've heard the last of this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:05am
They are not a united team. It doesn't help that they've had all these disputes ,  on top of the fact that the team all comes from different nations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:08am
It's vital that the Windies are competitive at the Gabba - if they roll over there 3-0 is a certainty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:13am
No opposition has won in Brisbane for a long time Sledger. If Lee is fit I wouldn't risk not picking him for Brisbane - he's got a great record with bat and ball there. Johnson took a 5-for in Australia's last test their too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 7:17am
Yep , the wicket is a beauty - if you can get into line there's plenty of runs to be had. Then again , if you've got pace and a bit of mongrel , you can hospitalise a few as well!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2009 at 2:12pm
3-0 it will be then Sledge - all teams simply gets rolled over at the Gabba!  I'm looking forward to Roach hospitalising somebody though he he.  Taylor will take care of Ponting!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:10am
It will be six straight wins this summer for Australia - weather permitting
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:13am
Taylor is top notch - when he finds his length and that natural away swing to right handers he's a match for most batsmen.  Just a little more consistency is required for him to be rated with the best out there.
            No doubt , there's talent in that touring side , they just have to apply themselves and believe they can compete.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:05pm
Taylor is a level headed youth - Gayle and Sarwan is who are corrupting the players head!  And they were led by Lara - it's not like me to criticize the great man but he had some pretty bad ways but isn't suppose to be associated with in team spirit! 
 
Here's an interesting article for you guys to read, it's from 2005 but worth the read to see what kind of players we have to deal with nowadays - http://caribbeancricket.com/news/0000/00/00/1689


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:25pm
That article highlights why West Indian cricket is in disarray. Written in 2005 , when the team were shambolic , clears up the mystery of their continued poor performances. That the senior players treated their sponsors with such disdain and their youngsters in the same light does them little credit.  It's a good thing that Lara has gone , but I fear the cancer still lives.  Very sad.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 3:22pm
Sledger, that's the exact reason why I wasn't sad when the better team didn't go to the CT, or ever came back for that matter!  They recieve US$35,000 per match day from Digicel to be shared between the squad and that's how they are treating them.  They even hid the Digicel logo on their shirt in a game this year too.  If you don't want to be associated with them, don't take their bonus match day money!!
 
Doesn't those Indians have so much endorsement contracts but still they wear the Indian team sponsors on their shirts with no fuss? 
 
The big problem is, we have no one to give Gayle, Sarwan, Ramdin competition and that's why they are able to go on like that.  In that Aussie side, only Ponting seems invincible, anyone else could easily be replaced so they won't ever attempt something like that!  With the last strike that went on, Barath, Richardson and Nash had initially stayed on but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that they were pressured to leave!  Now Richardson is back at home at the expense of Tonge, who was no where in the mix but thanks to the striking, he went to the CT and bowled well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:58pm
Windies players are probably making close to what the Aussie players are. I'd say WI are in the top 3 best paid from their board/team sponsors (excluding individual sponsorship, IPL deals, etc).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:44pm
Milkman, which bowling attack do you reckon the Aussies will unleash in the first test, assuming all the bowlers are fit.
 
Lee, Siddle, Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Clark all have to be in the reckoning.
 
Knowing West Indies, Hilfenhaus, Clark and Lee should cause a lot of headaches.  Windians don't play swing well, advantage to Hilfenhaus.  They like pace, Clark just bowls around 80 MPH, he'll frustrate them and Lee has the mickey on quite a few of them all ready.  Saying that, Johnson is a strike bowler too and has taken lots of wickets.  Siddle has kept on impressing me.
 
I think Johnson will make it for sure, the other 2 spots might be between Siddle, Lee and Hilfenhaus.  I think we are probably seeing the end of Clark's career.  Bollinger looks a top bowler.  I rate Stuart Clark but pace will eventually get the nod.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:54pm
I agree completely SW. I can't imagine the selectors picking Clark , not after the Oval Test.  Johnson is a certainty, he likes the Gabba (his old home ground) and his record in Australia is excellent. He definitely likes the Kookaburra ball as they use in Aust, SA, etc compared to the Dukes as used in England.
          Hilfenhaus is not a particularly good one day bowler and I don't think that willl go against him for selection at the Gabba. He's been very consistent since his debut in test cricket in SA. While Siddle if fit would pip out Lee if he's fit as well. I can't see Australia going with Lee, Johnson, Siddle - that's 3 blokes who can reach 150kph. I'd like to see at least one fast-medium or medium-fast bowler for variety. Hilfenhaus can reach 148kph as I have seen in some games, but in tests he generally keeps it around the 138-142kph mark.
I actually think Clark would be the most successful bowler. We just need to look at how he destroyed England on these Aussie wickets in 06/07 and definitely his ability to extract bounce out of no where, his nagging line/length and the fact that he's not express plays in his favour.
One thing that the selectors MUST do is pick Hauritz. There is talk that they will go with 4 quicks. This would probably still work against a side like WI which is fairly weak at times, but I hate picking 4 quicks. I guess it would mean Lee, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Johnson in that case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:59am
Barath, Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Bravo can all dig into spinners, it mightn't be a bad idea playing a 4 prong.  I think if Clark plays, he'll be the most successful.  For me, with his accuracy, he'll be a must for me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 11:00am
Exactly what I said, Clark would be the most successful and consistent. I like Hilfenhaus as an opening bowler and Siddle has a lot of aggression and hostility about his bowling. While Johnson has a tendency to get the best batsmen out. So who is the 4th bowler, Hauritz or Clark or Lee or Bollinger? Wow, big dilemma, but at least there is depth.
     Is Watson going to play? Will Hughes open again? If Watson maintains his role as opener perhaps he will be regarded as the 4th seamer and Hauritz can play. It will be interesting to see how the selectors go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:42pm
Until Watson loses form there's no way back for Hughes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:43pm
Yeah, it will be interesting indeed.  Watson can play as 4th seamer and play Hauritz.  If Watson plays, you reckon it will be as an opening, seeing Katich, Ponting, Clarke, North and with Hussey's recent form in India, he should be considered as a starter for the first test!  Poor form of Hussey or the same from Watson is the only how I see Hughes back in the side.  Aussies will be quite keen to get 4 bowlers at all time (excluding Watson).  I like the Aussies style, they won't play 3 fast bowlers + Watson and say North is there, so they have 5 bowlers, unlike the Windies for instance.  They'll go in with 4 specialist bowlers for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 12:59pm
North has been getting wickets in the FC comp here as well. Grabbed a 4 for the other day. Krejza has been doing okay, no better than North. North is captain of WA so he's doing the clever thing and bowling himself when possible. Certainly he's bordering all rounder status, particularly if conditions suit spin bowling, but he's not enterprising enough on flat wickets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:04pm
North seems pretty ok to me, gives the ball a bit of flight, definitely not a bad bowler and has batted quite well so far.  Ship over some of those 3rd stringers to the Windies man, they're being wasted up there.
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