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    Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:06pm
Australia has really solid depth mate. Everyone was saying how we were going to go down hill. Bit of time to blood the new players and Australia will still be top 3 for a long, long time. It's hard in the WI - small population, increasing popularity of American sports, decreasing popularity of cricket, poor attitude and lack of professionalism, too much focus on money and lack of facilities and opportunities. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:20pm
Aussies won't dominate as they use to with Warne and McGrath, in Tests that is.  I always knew they could keep up #1 in the ODI's because of guys like White, Husseys etc.  Bracken and Lee is still around and they are 2 of the best ODI bowlers ever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:53am
I was right, or perhaps quite correct in my suspicions in that there is talk that Hughes will play the first test and that it might be Hussey making way (OR if VC Michael Clarke is unfit still then Hughes will be his replacement and obviously Watson would drop down the order - or Katich, both of whom are originally middle order batsmen).
Hughes was very harshly dropped during the Ashes and it will be a very good move for mine if he is brought back in. Hussey has made 1 ton in 16 tests and while his ODI form has been excellent, probably top 5 in the world this year, that shouldn't dictate whether he should be playing tests. Australia is playing Pakistan and WIN, who are not the biggest threats and it's not the worst time to play Hughes after he did really well against SA in SA.
I'd like to see Hughes play, not a fan of Watto opening in tests. In ODIs as you would have seen me write in a couple of other threads I feel that the opening position is not a 'specialist' one in that format, if anything the best batsman in your ODI side should bat between 1-4 , regardless of where they bat in tests. However in the test format I'd like to see 2 proper openers. Katich was always a middle order batsman, but he had a couple of amazing seasons for NSW opening which is why he was given his test spot back, while he's also opened in ODIs for Australia. So he has a lot of experience under his belt for one to consider him as a specialist opener. And I'd like to see Hughes alongside him at the top.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 4:56am
Originally posted by spin wizard

Aussies won't dominate as they use to with Warne and McGrath, in Tests that is.  I always knew they could keep up #1 in the ODI's because of guys like White, Husseys etc.  Bracken and Lee is still around and they are 2 of the best ODI bowlers ever!
Expect the unexpected by WI in ODI's rather than Test imo.Don't give too much importance to the way Indians played.Indians played good, but Aussies played better when it mattered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:47am
India have no depth in their bowling. They have 3 decent spinners in Singh, Ojha and Mishra and a 4th okay spinner in Chawla, who I hear is improving his leg break which I felt was a problem for him. In terms of fast bowling depth it's quite poor, bordering on pathetic to be quite frank and that's why they won't beat sides with decent batting line ups. Even a fairly inexperienced batting line up like Australia's, missing the likes of Clarke and Haddin + the in form Ferguson were very , very good in this series and a lot of that was due to pretty ordinary bowling.
Batting is always going to be good for India especially at home and they have a lot of emerging young players who will do well in the future, the likes of Uthappa, Sharma, Pandey, Tiwari, etc (alongside guys like Sehwag, Dhoni, Gambhir who will be around for at least another 4-5 years if not longer, especially the latter two).
The problem with Australia in the last year and I put a lot of it down to inexperience and possibly poor captaincy has been 'finishing' games. The series Australia lost at home to SA could have easily been 3-0 to Australia had they finished well in Perth and Melbourne (while they won in Sydney). In England the same could be said about the Cardiff test, while the Edgbaston test which was probably slightly in Australia's favour at the end was ruined by rain. Another problem for Australia in tests has been their first innings batting which has lacked application. If Australia can sort out these 2 problems they won't be beaten often, particularly at home. I do expect Australia will be a dominating side in the next 3-5 years and remain one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the world and a team to beat.

I agree with Raj, if WI are going to do anything big against Australia it is probably going to be in ODIs, but then again WI have a poor record of late vs Australia in this format. WI have talent but lack the cohesion and application necessary to be a matchwinning side and you feel a ranking outside the top 6 in ODIs and Tests seems low when you look at their side on paper.

I'm not saying Australia is going to win every game, but last time when we lost the Ashes Australia won 13 tests in a row or something like that and then went on to win the next Ashes and the World Cup in 2007.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 12:43pm
I never count out Aussies if is anything, well, other than the T20 World Cups.  They're always gonna pressure you until the very end!
 
Milkman, it seems as if anybody can open for Australia.  Haddin, Clarke, Katich, Watson has all looked decent in that spot.  They all get to face the bouncing ball so it's no worries who they really put to open.  I'm not sure where Paine bats for his state side but watch how good he looked opening for Aussies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 1:47pm
I think everyone is going a bit too far imo.The series scoreline might show 4-2 at the moment but it was close, but I should never say we could have easily won it.
 
If I take milky's reasoning (like "The series Australia lost at home to SA could have easily been 3-0 to Australia had they finished well in Perth and Melbourne (while they won in Sydney)") similarly we can say about those two match which Aussies won were close ones had Indian held their nerves in key moments we would have been 4-2 up.Appreciation to Aussies to that, that's what makes a champion side.They held their nerve at that moment and fully deserve to win.In cricket we will have these key moments won lost,toss,dew,pressure, little bit decision here and there (which completely changes outcome), let's make a habit not to reason these.
 
EDIT: SA supporters would feel bad milky.Lets give them credit for their rare series victory over Aussies.Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:08pm
Paine mostly opens Spinny in both formats, particularly in the one dayers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:19pm
Paine and Haddin available who will you play milky?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:36pm
Haddin is more of a dynamite to death, let Watson and Marsh open!  I'd go with Haddin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:39pm
Haddin no doubt about it. He can hit the ball a long, long way. Paine is an accumulator, more in the Katich mould (but obviously technically different).

I'd say until 2011 (WC year) Haddin will be around pending form and injury. Then someone else will get a shot. We have about 5 back up keepers in Australia who are all noteworthy and wouldn't do a poor job by all means (Paine - TAS, Wade - VIC, Ronchi - WA, Manou - SA and Hartley - QLD).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:46pm
Ronchi is a dynamite, in the Adam Gilchrist mold!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:09pm
Manou was very pathetic behind stumps, maybe new condition did not suit him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2009 at 11:31pm
He was absolutely fantastic in the Ashes. You're right Raj, you need to get used to the conditions , it's his first time playing in India.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 5:56am
Solid stuff from Australia after losing Watson for a duck . 250-3 in the 64th over with Mike Hussey on 64 and a welcome return by Michael Clarke who's on 26. Good to see him back and it brings a solidity to the Aussie middle order.  Is there a better cricket wicket on the planet than that at the Gabba - I don't think so.  Put a bit of effort in and the ball goes through sharply , but anything slightly off line and the batsmen will climb in.  That's a proper cricket pitch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 11:29am
Gabba is the best wicket in the country, probably the best in the world. The WACA wicket at full flight is awesome too. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 11:30am
I love how Kemar Roach is saying how they can clean up the tail quickly after they break the Haddin/North partnership. Mitch Johnson might have something to say about that ;)

Overall pretty good by Australia today, Katich would be definetly be annoyed at missing out on a century. But its good that everyones contributed apart from Watson, who i dont reckon is an opener.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 11:47am
400 will be too much for WI, especially with a jetlagged Gayle opening and no Sarwan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 1:16pm
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I love how Kemar Roach is saying how they can clean up the tail quickly after they break the Haddin/North partnership. Mitch Johnson might have something to say about that ;)
 
I reckon Mitchell Johnson won't be doing to Kemar Roach what he has done to other bowlers in the past - It's not easy for a #8 against someone like Roach gets on to you very quickly because he's short plus he's got a much better bowling brain than the other Windies pacers. 
 
If West Indies are to wrap up Australia quickly, someone has to remove North or Haddin and then let Roach lose on the Aussie lower order and tail because he has the pace to run them over.  Taylor and Rampaul aren't bowling that well so.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 November 2009 at 1:23pm
And yeah, the Gabba is indeed the best Cricket wicket on the planet at the moment.  Batsmen can play freely because you can trust the bounce and there is the odd movement here and there off the seam plus the bounce to assist the bowlers.
 
Windies bowled alright, they just aren't disciplined enough in keeping a line and length and let go a lot of lose deliveries.  JT was guilty of trying to much stuff, sadly, on pitches like the Gabba, just hitting a length can do with the odd short ball or the odd trying ball.  I thought West Indies should have gone in with Tonge ahead of Rampaul - Rampaul has been out of form in the CL and is losing his line and length pretty easily.  I think Kemar Roach is a very good fine and I think this Windies bowling attack of Roach, Taylor, Rampaul, Tonge and Edwards will be very good in the next few years.
 
For Aussie, Katich was just sublime, there was some pretty amazing drives and an audacious pull off Rampaul for six.  He was easily the least troubled batsman today and knows very well where his off stick is.  Windies will have to be spot on tomorrow morning, North and Haddin are players that can make you leak a lot of runs, especially on a pitch like the Gabba!  Aussies usually hammers team away on day 2 morning on the Gabba, let's see how it will go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2009 at 5:57am
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I love how Kemar Roach is saying how they can clean up the tail quickly after they break the Haddin/North partnership. Mitch Johnson might have something to say about that ;)
 
I reckon Mitchell Johnson won't be doing to Kemar Roach what he has done to other bowlers in the past - It's not easy for a #8 against someone like Roach gets on to you very quickly because he's short plus he's got a much better bowling brain than the other Windies pacers. 

So you reckon the Kemar Roach is better then Dale Steyn and Ntini?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2009 at 6:37am
WIndies now 4/80-something.
Johnson with 2 wickets,one each for Hilfy and Siddle.
Barath was walking across his stumps,almost like Katich,is that in his usual game or is it nerves?

Johnson strikes quickly,though he's still having trouble with the seam from what I've seen.
Gayle was striking pretty quickly,and at tea I was wondering if Gayle would crush the Aus attack!
Interesting that Watson's been put on before Hauritz!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 November 2009 at 7:35am
The Windies currently 134-5 with little batting to come. Australia's fantastic record at the Gabba looks like continuing with all the seamers amongst the wickets.
            No idea what the weather forecast is like there , but if the thunderstorms stay away , maybe Ponting will do his usual and not enforce the follow on.
            I can't see the visitors getting out of this hole - looking very much like 1-0.
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So you reckon the Kemar Roach is better then Dale Steyn and Ntini?
 
Steyn and Ntini are easier to pick than Roach because Roach arm action is quicker, it doesn't mean he's a better bowler.  Steve Waugh once said about Malcolm Marshall that you failed to pick up the ball because his arm action was so fast.  It's hard for a #8 to get after bowlers like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 November 2009 at 3:58am
Barath is very, very impressive. I can understand why Lara is mentoring him.

Windies have NO chance here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 November 2009 at 5:53am
Congrats Barath on debut century Clap. To Umar too on his debut century against NZ Clap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 November 2009 at 6:57am
If Barath had scored a 400 and won it for the west indies, i would be happy. This guy looks like he could be around for a very long time. Cant wait to see more of him
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 November 2009 at 7:10am
done and dusted so early... WI are going no where.

Good ton by Barath though!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 November 2009 at 8:15am
Good knock by Barath. The only positive thing for the West Indies in this test match as far as I am concerned. This team did no better that the second team which had playing prior to this. Just shows how badly WI depend in Sarwan and Chanderpaul.

Clinical performance by the Aussies. They should be really happy. I don't think Watson is the right choice as Test opener! He's a naturally attacking player and hence the role suits him in ODI cricket but not in tests. You need specialists for the longer version.
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