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    Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:51am
Please dont just vote because captain X is the best batter. Try include the Captains tactical ability (eg good field placment) into your vote.

I decided on Fleming 

p.s i hope i have not left any captains off.

Edit: Since vaughn is out of action. you may want to make it a strauss vote

2nd edit: when i say captain i mean in the current time not like 10 years ago




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:17am
I would always rate Flemming to be the best captain, becos in my opinion when you have a great team a captain has just to go through the motions and the individuals deliver mostly. But Flemming doesnt have a very gifted team hardly 2/3 world class players, but to operate with his resources and eventually challenging the best in the world speaks volumes of their skipper's ability. He is a very positive captain and he has stablished a team , and he makes it fight and thats the role of a captain!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:22am

Some people think that if the captain performs mostly in the team wins he should be the best captain , like Lara, or Inzi or recently Jaywardene, but I think captains performing from the front is not the only thing, but getting more than 100% out of the players is important!

People hardly remmember Mike Brearly for his personal record but he is regarded as one of the best english captains!

so far so good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:14am
I'm not going into another rant about it, but Fleming is totally over rated as a captain.

I haven't seen every single captain in world cricket so am not qualified to comment, but the best I have seen ever is Michael Brearley and the best currently playing is Shane Warne.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:20pm
Shane warne! well I need to know his credentials and records as captain! I dont think being southampton captain he has done wonders!
so far so good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:27pm
From that list i choose Fleming! He has such a great cricketing brain, he is proactive in his decisions rather then reactive like many others! Ponting has in his armery  individuals who are really do not need captaining! They all know what to do etc! Newzealand have never had such waelth of talent yet fleming uses every ounce of the ability they have! He has been the best cpatin since he took over that role, many other counteries cannot boast having someone incharge without any change! They one the Champions Trophy and when the Aussies were untouched by other teams who would just crumble underneath the Aussies, Nzealand would take the fight to them and push them all they way! That for me was what a good captain does for his side!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by wiseguy

Shane warne! well I need to know his credentials and records as captain! I dont think being southampton captain he has done wonders!


I am pretty sure he doesn't play for Southampton. IN Southampton, maybe....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:26pm
We already have many captain polls and threads why make another one ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:28pm
To just try and nail the "Fleming is an amzing captain" crap, here are some quotations I made in the last thread we had on this subject -

Originally posted by Clobber

Look, let's just nail the fallacy about the miracle job Fleming has supposedly performed for NZ. In 75 tests as captain he has only won 10 away from the greentops of NZ, 4 of which were against Zimbabwe and 2 against Bangladesh.

Home and away he's NEVER beaten Australia in Test matches, Pakistan only once, England 3 times and India twice (on pitches that were a disgrace in the latter instance), meaning he's only won SIX matches of note out of 75 so don't talk to me about punching above their weight.


Originally posted by Clobber

Lack of talent you say - players like Cairns, Vettori, McCullum, Bond, Astle, Richardson and McMillan at their peaks is hardly a lack of talent is it?

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:48pm

spot on as usual clobbs!!!! Not only that but fleming has failed to produce the batting that we know he is capable on a regular basis. Part of being a good captain is leading from the front in your chosen part of the team, be it batting or bowling, which in flemings case is batting, and he hasn't led from the front near enough!!!

While warne isn't the captain of the Aust cricket team, and it's likely he never will be, he is still tactically a better than ponting, which is why ponting and warne confer so much. If it wasn't for his turbulent (to put it mildly) personal life he would be Aust. captain.

Ponting is improving though, and since the ashes he has lead from the front with his batting like no other (his fielding hasn't exactly let him down either, with a few crucial catches/run-outs!!!) His tactical nause can only get better, and he is showing no signs of a form drop, so he is arguably the best. But as it is so often said in the "best such n such" threads, it's all down to personal opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 3:09pm

I voted Prosper Utseya his record as captain is 3-2 leads the inexpierienced Zimbabwe by example his spin his difficult to play sort of into that mould of Daniel Vettori where you can only find 3-4 singles an over off him,takes his share of wickets these days and a great fielder who also took a marvellous catch against Bangladesh.Not bad with the bat while his field placements are centimeter perfect.I think he'll turn out like a Stephen Fleming great leadership skills yet his team cant perform though as Clobber pointed out New Zealand have enough world class players to beat a top team away from home,where as Zimbabwe really there is not one world class player atleast they can all play better then average.

Another great captain is Steve Tikolo

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 4:10pm

My best I've seen is Vaughan. How good a captain is doesn't mean how good he can bat or field. I am sure when they give you captaincy they don't say well.... chanderpaul your average is 45.... here is the captaincy , no... It doesn't work that way. They gave it to those who have the brains and are tactical in which vaughan is.

Vaughany , never afraid to set an unorthodox field and knows who to gave the ball to. Ponting field placing ain't no way as good as waugh or vaughan.

I won't say much about fleming cause I hardly ever see him play. I think clobber is being too critical about him though. Even clobber's greatest captian said fleming is the best captain at present !!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 4:50pm
I think its Graeme Smith. He has brought South Africa from a low position to such a high position. Although he has the stars the team was still bad at one point so he has pulled them up very, nicely winning many matches, beating the great Aussies,etc... So according to me Smith is the best captain going around right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by spin wizard

I won't say much about fleming cause I hardly ever see him play. I think clobber is being too critical about him though.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:22pm
What I have seen of Jayawardane has impressed me. He won 3 ODIs on trot without Murali. And tactical desicions were also amazing. He owns one of the weaker bowling and batting line ups, but probaly one of the best fielding out fits. So he uses all his resources to maximum extent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:09pm
How did Smith get three votes so fast. I was thr first to vote for him 20 minutes back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:09pm
Wal Bada why didn't you vote for Jayawardene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:03pm

i voted for vaughan. and i meen for vaughan NOT strauss. the way vaughan conducted the fielding placements and bowling changes to deal with batsmens weaknesses in the ashes and also before hand i think he is better than any other captain on the intenational circuit. he is a loss to england, batting well or not. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 8:32pm
Originally posted by lintonskippa

i voted for vaughan. and i meen for vaughan NOT strauss. the way vaughan conducted the fielding placements and bowling changes to deal with batsmens weaknesses in the ashes and also before hand i think he is better than any other captain on the intenational circuit. he is a loss to england, batting well or not. 

i think that was more to do with behind the scenes, so the players already knew the plans, vaughan simply helped them along the way!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:02pm

Vaughan for sure. He wasn't afraid to set an unorthodox field and it mostly cames out successful. He knows which bowler to throw the ball too when faces diffeent batsman. I really admire the attacking field he sets because I believe that attacking will win u matches. No matter what he always has in 1 or 2 slips even though batsman was blast the ball all over the field.

He has a great game plans, when Gilchrist, hayden, Katich was batting he mostly had in 3 slips because of the problems that the English bowlers give to the left handers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:26am
Whatever we have seen of younis khan, has shown us he has all what it takes to be a good captain, so may be bracketed in warne's catagory as the best potential captain!
so far so good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:44am
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Originally posted by lintonskippa

i voted for vaughan. and i meen for vaughan NOT strauss. the way vaughan conducted the fielding placements and bowling changes to deal with batsmens weaknesses in the ashes and also before hand i think he is better than any other captain on the intenational circuit. he is a loss to england, batting well or not. 

i think that was more to do with behind the scenes, so the players already knew the plans, vaughan simply helped them along the way!

then why havent freddie and strauss followed in vaughans footsteps

also as soon as i saw khan i wondered why he was not captain in much the same way i have with warne through pontings reign (even though i know it is age)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 12:26pm
I dont know but guys are at their best whenever they are made acting captains or brief stints in the absence of the captain, but some how when appointed permanent captains rarely live up to expectations!
so far so good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2006 at 1:40pm
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Wal Bada why didn't you vote for Jayawardene.


I voted, but to my biggest surprise, it has disappeared from the poll. Admins, could you help me out what has hapenned?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 12:49am

poll's do strange things Wal, i've had the problem before, but the fact that you can vote as many times as you like sorta makes the polls null & void.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 4:47pm

hussain has written an interesting article on captiaining that i thought you guys might like

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/wisdencricketer/content/story /257584.html

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2006 at 8:21pm
Fleming for being as cool as ice in difficult situations. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2006 at 8:05am
We already have a captain's thread , this is unnecessary.
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