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spin wizard
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Topic: World's bests Posted: 13 September 2007 at 9:45pm |
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Don't get me wrong fellas, but I'm not trying to say that someone who does 2 arts is better than a person who does one. For instance, never will I say that Flintoff is a better player than the little master.
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samhache
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 9:03pm |
W.G...I hope you read what they've been saying. A point to note is that, Bradman also has an 'aura' that surrounded him, as many of sports greats do. The likes of Muhammad Ali, Jack Nicklaus, Pele etc and even some of the modern sportsmen such as Tiger Woods, Sachin tendulkar and Roger federer, they all have in common a certain presence about them which is what defines their greatness in sport history.
Secondly, his freakish average of 99ish is wayy above anybody else who has or is playing cricket and to have scored as many centuries as he did for such a little amount of tests played only emphasises his talent with the bat in hand.
Edited by samhache - 13 September 2007 at 9:07pm
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spin wizard
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 8:08pm |
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You have very good points mojo but tell me this, who is the better player, Bracken or Lee? Lets just base this one on ODI's!
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Mojo
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 12:50pm |
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I mostly make cameo appearances for world cups. SA hasn't had much cricket in between the two tournaments, so I've been away.
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bondy
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 12:47pm |
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Where have you been anyway mate?
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Good one Graham!
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Mojo
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 12:42pm |
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I know, Bondy... I'm also being a bit of a nut, I suppose. No offense intended, W.G. We're all entitled to our opinions. I need to read my disclaimer sometimes.
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bondy
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 12:30pm |
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Don't sweat it Mojo. W.G' takes everything literally; he is correct in defining the word cricketer as meaning one who plays cricket, Bradman being only a batsman- but for god sakes, he knew what we meant.
Edited by bondy - 13 September 2007 at 12:47pm
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Good one Graham!
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Mojo
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 12:12pm |
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It's like saying that Ronaldinho is a useless football player because he can't play goalie.
That's what I call a load of tosh.
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bondy
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 10:29am |
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Exactly, excellent point Mojo. In fact Don Bradman, based upon statistics, is the greatest sportsman ever- he was and still is that far ahead of his counterparts.
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Good one Graham!
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Mojo
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Posted: 13 September 2007 at 9:48am |
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So why aren't "World cricketer of the year" awards always given to all-rounders then? It's not just about having more tricks up your sleeve, it's about doing what you do best. Bradman's batting contribution throughout his career was way better than most all-rounders' contributions. That makes him a better cricketer. You can't say that a specialist batsman isn't a cricketer because he can't bowl, can you?
Would you call Shane Watson a better cricketer than Matthew Hayden?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 10:05pm |
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Nope, everyone has their own views! I think I might have included Bradman if I had to choose between the 2.
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 10:02pm |
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yes exactly, good point.
However, I would rather have Bradman in my team despite Sobers being better in the field and with the ball, simply because he was so good with the bat. Does that mean he's the greatest cricketer ever? Controversial.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 9:46pm |
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I'm not too keen to say this person is the greatest cricketer but I'm my view, Sobers will always get my nod ahead of Bradman for that as he was a better bowler and Sobers could have field anywhere! It's simple, Bracken is a better ODI bowler than Lee, but overall, Lee is the better play as his batting and fielding is better!
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 8:57pm |
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Good good post mate.
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August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 8:29pm |
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ok, batsman. Sobers, best cricketer ever.
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W.G.
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 11:12am |
Originally posted by samhache
I suppose you're going to say WG was better. Predictable. |
Nope, I'm going to say there is no such thing or person as the greatest cricketer ever - as I don't recall Bradman taking wickets on a regular basis, keeping wicket or fielding to the level of some of the best ....... I do not see how he can be the greatest cricketer ever. Load of tosh.
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When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat.
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the ZZ factor
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 10:57am |
England : Geoffrey Boycott
South Africa : Herschell Gibbs
West Indies : Viv Richards
Pakistan : Wasim Akram
India : Kapil Dev
Australia : Michael Bevan
New Zealand : Shane Bond
Sri Lanka : Lasith Malinga
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samhache
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 9:22am |
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I suppose you're going to say WG was better. Predictable.
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143no
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 8:00am |
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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W.G.
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Posted: 12 September 2007 at 7:21am |
Originally posted by samhache
Yep, Bradman is the greatest cricketer in the history of the game. |
He was?
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When you win the toss - bat.
If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat.
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Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:26pm |
yeah i sensed the sarcasm in the last few posts, its still entertaining though.
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samhache
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Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:57pm |
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Its all friendly banter. Nothing intentional about it. Well, unless BFM was being serious.
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 10:33pm |
 you guys get into the funniest arguments.
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 5:26pm |
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Watch it kid. I'll be BACK!!!
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samhache
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 4:43am |
So, pigs are flying these days?
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 2:41am |
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Sam i am better than Bradman but the only problem is no international cricketers have seen me play, if they did Bradman would of been number 2 and I number one.
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samhache
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 2:37am |
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Thanks SW. But, it is indeed true.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 2:34am |
I didn't know you were that old Sammy. That would explain a lot.
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samhache
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Posted: 09 September 2007 at 2:29am |
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Yep, Bradman is the greatest cricketer in the history of the game.
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 08 September 2007 at 10:17pm |
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Deadly agree, Murali is way better than S. Jay.
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August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more
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