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Niv!
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Topic: Would any one want help with spin?Posted: 21 December 2007 at 11:13am |
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I actually have played on carpet covered concrete as well as turf pitches. Personally I get more turn and bounce on turf pitches.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 21 December 2007 at 2:38pm |
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I enjoy the bounce of the concrete pitches but it's stille easier for batsmen as they can play on the up with ease. With turf wicket, you might get one or two to spit out.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 21 December 2007 at 9:28pm |
Plus with real wickets you get the cracks and the rough patches, which makes it a lot harder.
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Pietersen Fan
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Posted: 21 December 2007 at 9:42pm |
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real pitches can be a pain aswell
if there slow, or down turn it can be a night-mare
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LethalYorker
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 2:24pm |
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for leg spin, before rotating your wrist so it faces the batsmen could you have your palm to the offside instead of facing down?
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 7:30pm |
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whatever suits and works for you
in truth there are many different variations of leg spin, for example would you say that warne and kumble have actions anywhere near simular to each other?
the main excepted version is with the hand poining down and then rotating to the offside, and spinning the ball off the 3rd finger. but this dosnt mean this is the only correct and proper way
if you are to start your wrist on the offside you are more likely to get sidespin
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LethalYorker
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 8:37pm |
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are there any exercizes that improve flexibility of the wrist and are there excercizes for strengthing the fingers for a spinner?
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 8:59pm |
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just practice bowling, thats gota be the best practice for improving any aspect of your bowling
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fishcake14
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 10:36pm |
Stress balls should help to strengthen your wrist; you can do exercises with dumb beels for wrists as well. Just type in'wrist strengthening' on google and you should get somewhere quickly.
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minimurali
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Posted: 28 December 2007 at 10:37pm |
It seems practice does make perfect then, never did for me!
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County Sim on extended break until I've got less work and more free time. When I have a specific date, I'll post it in the thread.
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Posted: 29 December 2007 at 12:48pm |
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yeh obviously you have to have natural talent, but which do you thinks going to make you a better pace bowl, bowling for 2 hours a day for a year, or doing weights for 2 hours a day for a year?
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LethalYorker
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Posted: 29 December 2007 at 5:00pm |
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okay how about finger strenghthing? Is it a good idea to lift a dumbell with one finger at a time to strenghthen the fingers?
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Posted: 29 December 2007 at 11:18pm |
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At this point i would like to point out doing that, while strengthening the fingers in all likelihood, you would also lose flexability in the finger(s) so it wouldnt have a wide a range of movement.
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Posted: 30 December 2007 at 12:33am |
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i dont think there is much point in trying to strenghten the wrists of fingers, if is unlikley that youll make the muscle grow enough to notice it, also you will loose flexiblility and could make your bowling worse
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Posted: 30 December 2007 at 4:19am |
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my actions coming along allright
at least now im getting the conventional chinaman spin with the more conventional action, i remember a time when it would only come out googly. its al good, too bad were on xmas break till next week
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im a chinaman spin bowler that only uses thumb and finger :P
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FusionSports
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Posted: 31 December 2007 at 1:49pm |
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Apparently this can replicate facing Murali...
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Posted: 31 December 2007 at 4:20pm |
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What do you think about the use of a shiny side/ polishing of a ball for leg spinners. Below 70 mph swing bowlers get conventional swing even with a new ball by orienting the seam to first slip for an outswinger and towards leg slip for inswing. So a leg break should also swing towards slips before turning off the wicket. Did anyone read articles about these ideas as i have not and would be added intelligence in our leg spin armoury
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inswinger
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Posted: 01 January 2008 at 8:31pm |
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well i dont recon it would because swing needs backspin on the ball so you wuold not be bowling a normal leg break or overspinner but a back spinner/sidespinner. plus swings needs a very non wobled seam. and from my spin experience its hard not to wobble it when your ripping it and by how the seam is poisioned in your hand so...really unless u use it as ur slider...thers not much use for that. and goodluck not wobbling the seam
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Posted: 01 January 2008 at 9:48pm |
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Use it as your arm ball. Its an improvement on a normal one (as opposed to no swing at all).
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Posted: 01 January 2008 at 9:56pm |
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Read through this and you will see a paragraph on drift and the effects of shine on one side. Partly anyway. :D
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spin wizard
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Posted: 01 January 2008 at 11:01pm |
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A bit of extra flight helps you to get drift!
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Posted: 03 January 2008 at 12:44am |
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I am the best leg spinner in the world, just ask Andrei. Mind you, it doesn't take much to bowl him out.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 04 January 2008 at 12:15pm |
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So surely that means that if swing needs backspin (apparently), then sliders and flippers will drift a lot, which'll make them look like a leggy and cause more problems.
And to cancel weeding through the link to the drift point: The answer is keep the shiny side on left side of the ball, so that you can hold the ball across the seam such that rough side of the ball hides in your palm.Now you bowl the leg spin it drifts from left to right side ( since the shiny side of the ball will be on the right side after releasing it drifts from left to right side
You get more drift the more spin you apply and by having the seam in the right place - the more sidespin you apply, the more drift and turn you'll get. The wind is also a factor; spinners should want to bowl into the wind, as the ball will hold up and if the wind is moving in the correct direction, drift more. Edited by fishcake14 - 04 January 2008 at 12:23pm |
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Posted: 05 January 2008 at 7:20am |
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I am a left arm orthadox bowler,
I bowl around the wicket with a high action and kick my leg through nice and high. I turn the ball a decent amount and can put the ball in the right areas prity consistently.
BUT, i am bowling either flat of 'loopy' when i toss it up its loop and i cant get 'dip'. This has been an issue and i am really wondering if their is any 'shortcut' or simple way to get dip on the ball.
All comments welcome and please if you have any other advice for a young (15) left arm off spin bowler
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Posted: 05 January 2008 at 7:52pm |
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keeping the seam straight is the key and a nice high action, lots of revs etc. To get dip you need to be very good at it.
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Posted: 05 January 2008 at 8:21pm |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 05 January 2008 at 9:33pm |
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If you bowl loopy and you find the ball isn't dipping enough, it could be because you're bowling too fast! When looping, you have to slow it down or it will go up too much under the batsman. Rotate the ball a lot so it can fizz through the air. That'll make it dip too!
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Posted: 06 January 2008 at 10:00am |
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well KP and others
today i found my problem and got it working
i was not giving it enough 'rip' so today and yesterday i got it turning, dipping and bouncing.
With fizz and guile i beat all the sides batsmen (School first X1 in sydney)
i am feeling confident and am grateful to all
good luck KP on your academy gap year
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:35am |
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i have just started playing cricket again after a gap of 2 weeks. When i started bowling legspin again everything seemed to go well, except my fingers kept hurting me.(not due to friction or anything , it also doesn't bleed) Do you think its just in my mind or something i'm doing wrong, this has never happened before and i haven't changed my action or anything.
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