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abcq 
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 Topic: Would any one want help with spin?Posted: 07 January 2008 at 11:34am |
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Here are some more vids of me bowling
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fishcake14
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 4:47pm |
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You could probably do with a bigger pivot than you have just now, that'd help to finish the action off a bit more.
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benkola13
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Posted: 07 January 2008 at 5:21pm |
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Two weeks or two years?
If it is two years then it may be the particular muscles you are using hurting, because of the inactivity. But, two weeks, i'm not sure what could be wrong with you.
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Posted: 08 January 2008 at 12:29am |
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if you quite young...not sure how young you are but yeh, it could be growing pains
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Posted: 11 January 2008 at 10:28am |
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i think you end up abit too wide of the crease, whilst this may aid drift its going to make the ball turn less because its having to come back from the angle more, also it might make you loose your rhythm more in the long run
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spin wizard
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Posted: 11 January 2008 at 11:03am |
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Nothing's wrong with going wide of the crease. I bowled quite round arm, some people tell me I does get my arm a bit too low at times but anyway, I does deliver my side spinners to right handers from wider of the crease. Angle it into them and let it spin away. It's good to variate where you deliver from wide or close to the stump.
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gunnz_27
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:46am |
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hey!..i bowl both pace n spin..leg spinning action...but i always bowl the googly...hav no trouble bowling it.....and hav trouble getting the leg break wich is the easier part!...
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:02pm |
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you probibly trying too hard, just relax and dont tense your wrist too much |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:32pm |
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Go through it step by step. Start off by turning your wrist over from left to right to simulate a legspinner, spinning it as hard as you can with your third finger. Then add your wrist and shoulder to the whole thing - each bit should be involved in producing spin.
When you get round to bowling a full on leggy, pivot as your release, as that helps to get spin. Try and get your palm facing more towards the offside when you release it -clench your wrist and turn it sideways so the knuckles face you. Then open your wrist and place a ball in there - that's the position you want your wrist to be in just before you release the leg-break - and move your wrist in exactly the same way as I described in the first paargraph. The more of the palm the batsman can see, the more the ball should spin - if he can see all of your palm, you'll get maximum spin and the least bounce, turn it round so your thumb faces 10 o clock (ie like this \\ ) and you'll get bounce and spin. Turn it round so the thumb faces the batsman, you'll get maximum sbounce and the least spin, and turn it round even more and you'll get what you've been bowling - a googly.
Changing from a googly to a leggy does take a while to get right, so make sure you practice enough to give yourself a chance.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:38pm |
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Strange eh, when I started with leggies, I could turn them but found hell getting the googly to turn. |
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inswinger
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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:44pm |
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haha same. and now ive got a top spinner and almost a googly...my leggies dont turn as much,... altho today i bowled a cuple during training and i got sum turnand bowled em in the right place and one beauty which was perfect pitch...loads of turn...but yeh
that was just when the batsman was padding up z... |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 16 January 2008 at 4:59pm |
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 Looks like I'm the special one. I guess it's because I spent ages bowling googlies thn tried to switch, not like you and bowling leggies the bowling a googly. Perhaps I'm just odd! |
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Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:08pm |
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no arguements from me
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maltaspinner
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Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:16pm |
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I saw a short clip of my leg spin bowling and was amazed at how round arm i bowl. My hand at release was at about 10 o'clock ( if you take my head as being 12 o'clock ). I know some are more round arm and get more side spin,how where you observed to bowl.
Also i find that to bowl a flipper(when it comes right) my hand is more vertical. The googly i still have to figure out , but out of four bowled , 3 where wide and 1 was a beauty drifting to offstump then turning back and clipping leg stump. when i tried the same precise action this didn't happen again 
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spin wizard
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Posted: 21 January 2008 at 2:39am |
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I was more round arm than I ever thought too. Everyone use to tell me about it until of late, I decided to go up a bit higher, but still round armish. I find bowing round arm gives you more turn! |
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Posted: 21 January 2008 at 11:39am |
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it can make it harder to find your rhythm though, also youll get less dip and bowling round arm can lead to half trackers
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mystery
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 12:39am |
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When ever i bowls spin i get alot of spin.......... Batsman finds hard to play.... Some people even call me little Warne
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Niv!
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Posted: 22 January 2008 at 5:15pm |
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so do you need any help or coaching then mystery?
I have a problem with my wrist, one of the tendons hurts when I stretch it a certain way, so I can bowl my leg break and topspinner easily, but when I try to bowl off spin, or a wrong un it hurts a lot. This came up when I woke up with it hurting. It also makes batting in general a real pain. Should I see a doctor or just alter my game? |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 23 January 2008 at 2:40am |
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Wait ah while. Mostly, when you just do something from a good time break or for the first time, it will be sore! Just be a man and bare the pain Niv.
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143no
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Posted: 23 January 2008 at 3:00am |
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If it's just below your elbow it may be a repetative strain problem, ignoring it will make it worse. See a physio, they will give you some excercises, if it gets bad you will probably need a needle. Edited by 143no - 23 January 2008 at 7:41am |
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Niv!
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Posted: 23 January 2008 at 11:29am |
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It's right on the wrist, just below the thumb. I been practicing now and then all summer, but this only just came up last week!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 23 January 2008 at 6:10pm |
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Could be a RSI injury. If you use the keyboard too much (like me) it could make right in that area get a bit of swelling. Computers are sweet but they're the next silent killer.
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Niv!
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Posted: 24 January 2008 at 11:06am |
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it's strange, I woke up today with it hurting, then by the afternoon it completely stopped as suddenly as it had appeared! my body confuses me :S
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spin wizard
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Posted: 24 January 2008 at 7:49pm |
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Yep, definitely a RSI. You need to do some stretching of the wrist and stop putting unnecessary strain on it.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 24 January 2008 at 7:56pm |
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In Scotland we'd probably solve a few problems and just chop the whole thing off. Without anaesthetic, naturally.
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Niv!
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 8:56am |
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Bit hard for me to bowl with my toes fishcake
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Niv!
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 9:00am |
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As for RSI, I quit guitar which should help but good luck getting me off the comp!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 4:29pm |
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Haha, same here mate.
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hi guys just came bck from cricket had a terrible day with problems such as overstepping my run-up resulting in no-balls, full tosses, the lot basically. I just want to know how do you guys control the ball so you can make it land where you want. also how long is your run-up. What type of ball should a leg spinner use to bowl? another problem im having is that i can get the right flight on the ball. Do you think i should stick to the basics? if so can u just give me a brief summary of what i should do when i bowl like tips kind of.
Thankx sorry bout long paragraph Edited by legspinner102 - 18 February 2008 at 2:34pm |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 19 February 2008 at 8:28pm |
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You need to re-measure your run up. Measure it out and go through it, get someone to check that you're not overstepping before you start bowling.
The control'll come from practice - the more you practice, the more you'll improve. One of the reasons you'll be inaccurate just now is because of your run up; if that's all over the place, then the ball will be the same. However to increase your accuracy you can bolw at a coin or marker or a cone, or you can imagine the batsman playing a specific stroke and then trying to 'beat' that particular stroke - ie imagine the batsman playing a forward defense on middle stump, then spin the ball past the bat.
Make sure you use a proper cricket ball as often as you can; the more you practice with that, the more comfortable you'll become.
As for flight, there are certain things you can do with your wrist to gain more/less flight. The more of the palm the batsman can see once you've flicked your wrist and released the ball, the less flight the ball will have, but it'll have more spin. As you turn your wrist round to the right more, you'll be applying more overspin/topspin to the ball, and this increase in forward spin willl cause the ball to spin up the way on release and give it flight. The more overspin you apply, the more bounce you'll get and the more dip you'll get. Vary your wrist between these positions and you'll get different quantities of dip. Once your palm passes the 90 degree point and continues moving round to the right, you'll start to bowl a googly.
The amount of dip you put on depends on the batsman, pitch, weather etc. If you're bowling into the wind, you want to bowl it with a lot of flight and more slowly - the slower you bowl it, the more the ball will move about in the air because of the wind and the natural drift that will be caused when you apply enough spin to the ball. Less pace will mean more spin, so if a batsman has managed to deal with the problems through the air, he'll still have to deal with the problems the pitch will cause. To be successful, you need to vary your spin, flight, dip and speed, as well as your delivery.
Stick to the basics just now. Get your run up sorted and improve your accuracy, but make sure you spin the ball! Keep spinning the ball as hard as you can, and the accuracy will come. Don't try any other deliveries until you've mastered your stock ball, then when you do start with variations, bowl 20 or 30 deliveeries of your stock ball, then about 6 of a different delivery, then back to your stock ball. Good luck!
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