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Omnipresent
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Topic: Would any one want help with spin?Posted: 24 March 2008 at 4:58pm |
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thanks, thats pretty much the field I use as well. Although, i dont use silly mid off.
Also, I tend to bowl googly from side wrist rather than upside down wrist which is more orthodox. I was trying to learn slider but discovered bowling googly from side wrist with ring finger involed. But it tends to be always fuller in length and stays in air a lot. Should I be trying to bowl it with a bitmore speed so it will pitch a little shorter. |
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Posted: 24 March 2008 at 6:28pm |
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there are many different stratergies that a leg spinner can use to gain more wickets, and ultimatly it depends on 4 things as to which stratergy to use 1) the pitch and other field related conditions (eg size of boundries)
2) the batsmens strenghts and weaknesses, and his aggresion towards your bowling
3) your own strengths and weakness
4) the position that you find yourself in regarding the scores (for example you might not want to use certain stratergies when the opposition needs 6 to win off an over)
The first tactic which i think is a good idea is to always bowl a googly first ball when there is a new batsmen in. (whether it be to him or the other batsmen) just so that the new batsmen becomes aware that you have the ability to turn it both ways, that way he will always be looking out for it and might put doubt in his mind when playing a certain stroke, ultimatly this could lead to him giving his wicket away.
as spin wizard has already metioned flight can be a good way of taking wickets, varying flight aswell as pace can force the batsmen into playing a false shot.
moving your field around can also be a good way of "messing" with the batsemn mind, for example, if I were to move point to another position and so there is a gap square, a right handed batsmen may see this as an opotunity of scoring a runs throught point, by playing with the spin, but if you were to bowl a googly that turns back in, there is a good chance of bowling him or getting him LBW.
there are loads more different things that you could do but ultimatly its up to you, im sure you can figure some others out based on the ones ive mentioned.
A few other things which will always help are to be accurate (easier said than done) theres no point knowing what to do if you cant carry it out.
Also you could do with having an open minded captain who is going to trust your judgement
hope this helped
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Posted: 24 March 2008 at 6:54pm |
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Another way that can be effective is to change the angle of attack. If they're getting used to you bowling over the wicket, then bowl around the wicket for an over or so, just to force them to get used to that change of angle.
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Posted: 25 March 2008 at 5:39pm |
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If you were getting sweeped then you'd bowl to whatever the batsman's weaknesses were to start with, don't allow him what he wants. You need to find that out quite quickly though. You could try having a short fine leg as well, in case he top-edged the sweep or if he tries to fetch you from outside off, making the sweep harder.
One of the atctics you could try against a good sweeper would be to bowl outside off and getting him to drive. He'll move further across his crease and begin to expose his stumps. Then you could slip in a ball pitching outside leg which he wouldn't be expecting and might get bowled round his legs.
Flight and changes of pace help a lot for getting wickets. Accuracy, spin and variations obviously help too. Also knowing what field you want will help - you'll become more successful as soon as you can bowl to a field you've set.
It's a good idea to change your angle now and again, but keep it simple - you don't want to end up having about 43 different positions on the crease to bowl from. If you go round the wicket you'll take out LBW as well, but sometimes it's not a bad plan.You don't always have to go round the wicket when a left hander's on strike; a lot of the time pitching the ball about a foot outside his off stump will cause a lot of trouble when combined with the flight and the drift across him. Edited by fishcake14 - 25 March 2008 at 5:40pm |
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legspinner102
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Posted: 04 April 2008 at 6:12pm |
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hiya guys, just needed to tell you something; when i release the ball it kind of feels I spun it with my pinky? And when the ball lands most of the time it hardly spins? But I think ive come up with a soloution for that last question. You see now Ive been playing at ECB in loughborough for about 5 weeks (1 one and a half hour session per week) and they have all kind of different nets there for all kinds of different bowlers. But theres only one problem; I bowl in the medium pacers net but I can't move to the spinners net because its a adults net and im only 14...Anyways if I go to my local park and bowl my spin I can almost get it to do all of the variations (except the slider which is purley because of my release) and bowl them all with good spin and bounce. But when I bowl at the ECB as I say, the ball just bounces and doesnt spin? The only way I get wickets there is sudden change of pace in an over which sounds ludicrous for a spin bowler to do to get wickets when he can perfectly spin the ball anywhere else? What do you guys recommened?
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Posted: 04 April 2008 at 6:24pm |
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Murali, Kumble, MacGill, Singh. Undoubtably some of the best spin bowlers in the world
Do u think the conform to how the ECB tell u how you should bowl????
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Posted: 04 April 2008 at 6:50pm |
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Ah well yes but theres only 1 problem with that...I dont get coached by any of the ECB coached i get coached by my club coaches
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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 4:35pm |
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Can someone please tell me how to bowl the slider?
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fishcake14
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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 7:48pm |
You bowl it out the front of your hand. You have flick your wrist up in the air to get the backspin on it. Flick your wrist up and once you've released it, the palm of the hand should be facing the batsman.
Sommebody can write that up better Edited by fishcake14 - 06 April 2008 at 7:49pm |
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Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:04pm |
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Thanks for the advice. Ill practice it tonight at my nets :) |
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Posted: 08 April 2008 at 4:46am |
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I am sure this has been asked/answered a lot of times on this this thread but i dont want to go thru 94 pages of posts haha.
So i saw bunch of jenner and warnes videos. Acording to them you basically snap your fingers while bowling a flipper. So is the flipper bowled under the hand? if Yes then it would be 'back spinning' while going towards the batsman making it slower after pitching. if it is spinning 'forward' going to the batsman then what is the difference in a slider and a flipper. I have leg break and googly in my armoury. My googly is new (i bowl it from side wrist) and it pitches too full...very few times it pitches shortish. I am trying to bowl a ball that just goes straight on. |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 08 April 2008 at 9:05pm |
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Back spin makes the ball skid on, atleast from my experience. I'm not a physics guy but I do know that the flipper does keep lower than the slider. Maybe it's because most flippers have straight back spin than most persons slider.
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Posted: 12 April 2008 at 12:40pm |
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if you want a ball that stays straight i would go for the topspinner as it is much much easier to bowl than a flipper or slider becasue of the position of the hand.
the flipper, when you know how to do it is not hard to do but very hard to place. it is bowled with the same wrist position as the topspinner, but it comes out of the hand the oposite way. so not from behind the hand but almost like an off spinner but with kind of clicking your fingers.
although. the topspinner is what i would advise as it causes alot of trouble for the batsman in terms of bounce.
really i would work on both and try the flippper if you really cant get anyone out. but work on both is probably the best thing.
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Posted: 12 April 2008 at 12:57pm |
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why is the slider bowled from the front of the hand? Isint the leg break bowled from the front of the hand,?
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Posted: 13 April 2008 at 5:45pm |
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the leg break is bowled with the palm of your hand facing the batsman. the slider is bowled with your little finger towards the batsman and your thumb pointing towards you. bowled in the same way as a leg spinner.
you might want to watch a terry jenner video for more advice on that. |
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Posted: 14 April 2008 at 11:06pm |
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Good old advertising here.... Go on fishcakes site to learn to bowl much better stuff than a measly flipper or slider learn to turn the ball 4 ways at once and somehow make the ball disappear before the batman looking in wonderment at what on Earthhas hit his stumps.
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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 10:25am |
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i am a left arm pace bowler but i want to move into left arm spin within a few years.
But i need some tips, for both left arm orthadox and chinaman. Such as which is more effective? How can i make the most out of each delivery? How can i aviod being slogged? What are the variations and how do i bowl them? Is there any variations that you have come up with that not many people have heard of and how do i bowl them? Where to i pitch each different delivery on the pitch? etc. and any others that you feel i need.
Im not looking to go into it straight away, but i want to practice for a few years before i take it into a game.
Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 16 April 2008 at 11:22pm |
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Wrist spin seems more effective but for me, if you can turn it loads, you'll be effective with any spin, that's if you can land it accurately and also, variation in flight and pace and probably bowing arm balls, top spinners for off spinners. Leggies has more variations in there armoury but you can always experiment on which suits you best.
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 3:58pm |
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do any of you have trouble bowling legspin with a tape ball? I certainly do, when it comes to bowling with a tennis ball i spin it heaps but with a tape ball its exactly the opposite. Do you think i'm doing something wrong?
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 10:31pm |
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probably just the ball. unless you decide to bowl a whole lot different when u have a tape ball in your hand
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Posted: 18 April 2008 at 9:30pm |
I don't quite know why you care so much about how you're bowling with a tape ball when it's a real ball that matters. Edited by fishcake14 - 18 April 2008 at 9:30pm |
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Posted: 19 April 2008 at 6:59am |
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if i'm a good spinner i should be able to spin with all the balls
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Posted: 21 April 2008 at 4:37pm |
Yeh, but the more you practice with a real cricket ball, the better you'll get. Don't worry about trying to spin tennis balls etc - if that's all you've got then it's still valuable practice, but if you have a cricket ball as well, use that.
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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:43am |
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hey guys i dont understand , everytime i bowl legspin it comes out as a topspinner. What could i be doing wrong?
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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 3:10pm |
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trying to turn it too much, relax wrist and dont cock ur stifly |
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Posted: 28 April 2008 at 7:35pm |
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that happend to me for a long while, your wrist is too flopped forward. u must makesure you are delivering the ball with the plam facing the batsman, getting good rotation etc. jsut make sure your wrist is not flopped foraward on delivery and plam facing the batsman.
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Posted: 08 May 2008 at 9:26pm |
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i need help, i thought i was bowling leg breaks and recently i just found out i was bowling sliders, can someone help? I bowl leg spin from front of my hand.
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Posted: 28 May 2008 at 11:29pm |
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Spinwizard an eminent leg break coach says to get a big legbreak you need to spin the ball towards you like a backspinner but not to such an extreme. what do you think? It seems to work but much more difficult to bowl than a small leg break
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Well, to get my big leg breaks, I spin the ball sideways but not completely sideways. It's not backspin at all but the closest it looks like is = although it's not that sideways. But yeah, it's more difficult to bowl.
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Posted: 04 June 2008 at 10:30pm |
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Hi guys
got a bit of a PB with my big leg break (the side spinning one). It goes through the air really nice with loads of drift towards leg but no turn once it pitches. That's not normal is it? |
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