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    Posted: 04 August 2008 at 2:15pm
I find a jogging run up suits off spinners but a walk or slower one suits the leggies.
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Suprisingly I walk up the the crease and I bowl off-spin. I have noticed most offies do jog to the crease but when I tried this I found I was bowling too fast and couldn't extract the turn I could have got when I walk up. My advice is to just get a few balls and go in the nets and do what comes natural. Then start to tweak the little parts lyk where you land and where your arm ends up.
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When I want to bowl a bit quicker, I increase the speed of jump into the crease a bit.  When I'm flighting, I'm more slow in the jump although there isn't that much different in my jump into the crease other than a bit more energy going into my action before turning over my arm.

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Hello i am a SLA bowler i want to be able become a better bowler so I would like someone to give me some tips on bowling SLC. Also some tips on getting more turn on the ball.

Thanks much!
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So, you wanna be the next Levrock eh (Bermuda)?   Wink
 
Anyhow, to get a decent amount of turn, it mostly depends on the degree of spin you put on the ball.  Use side spin to get more turn and try and get a high seam position.  Then the rest might be up to the pitch but make sure to apply as much revs as possible.  If you're bowling very flat on a skiddy surface, chances are, it will skid mostly so, it all depends on the surface as well and how fast you bowl.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

So, you wanna be the next Levrock eh (Bermuda)?   Wink
 

Anyhow, to get a decent amount of turn, it mostly depends on the degree of spin you put on the ball.  Use side spin to get more turn and try and get a high seam position.  Then the rest might be up to the pitch but make sure to apply as much revs as possible.  If you're bowling very flat on a skiddy surface, chances are, it will skid mostly so, it all depends on the surface as well and how fast you bowl.


Yes I do but i have one thing he does not...the doosra. See the top of my middle finger is crooked and when i was bowling in a match my delivery turned into a right hander and i almost bowled him. I was shocked so i continued and had the batsmen confused.
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Damn, crooked fingers must be a spinners' desease.  Other than my 2 thumb and ring finger, the rest are clearly out of shape.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

Damn, crooked fingers must be a spinners' desease.  Other than my 2 thumb and ring finger, the rest are clearly out of shape.    


so you bowl leg-spin right?
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Originally posted by spin wizard

When I want to bowl a bit quicker, I increase the speed of jump into the crease a bit.  When I'm flighting, I'm more slow in the jump although there isn't that much different in my jump into the crease other than a bit more energy going into my action before turning over my arm.

 
Earlier this evening, i went in to the tennis court with an old ball to work on it a bit, followed that approach with the arm ball and it seemed to pitch more or less in the right place
 
Also have decided to come in off a straight jog of 5 or so paces and just concentrate on ripping the ball without worrying too much on where it would land by really wrapping my fingers around it
 
What I found was the ball dipped naturally and turned square which it hasnt done so for me for a while and it felt like I was hitting a reasonable length most of the time and I had control when I was releasing it. Feels as though maybe have turned a bit of a corner. The tricky thing is a match situation but I may not bowl a lot of overs this season so can work at it gradually
 
Thanks for the advice all, was very useful Smile
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hey, ive been practicing bowling legspin alot recently, I turn it quite a bit, but i keep gettin frustrated by torn upper fingers, my first finger gets pretty bruised up, its not that bad but it really does prevent me from bowling

I was wondering if I should use some kind of tape to prevent this, atleast in practice

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Glad you've turned a corner,but I have trouble.

I bowl mostly like Mendis except I look like a leggy.
Now I have a very hard to read googly,but I just can't pitch it accuratly!
When I actually pitch it right,most people just can't stop it.
But I only did that ONCE last year.
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Practice, Practice, Practice Bladescape.
 
I reckon that getting something to aim at/in will help when practicing.
 
Get a kids hula-hoop (they're always good targets for length and line, for both seamers and spinners) and place it in the area where you want to be placing the ball for your wrong'un. Then just bowl away, aiming to pitch it inside the hoop.
 
After a while you'll get more accurate with it and then you can take the hoop away and do it by visualisation. When you can do this well then you'll be fine when bowling it in matches.
 
What I will advise is that you don't lose your ability to bowl a leg-break by practicing the wrong'un too much. Practice both of them, just give a little more time to the wrong'un for a while.


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Just basically what Tyke said , bladescape. Bowling a googly's a pretty unnatural position for your arm, shoulder and wrist to be in so it'll take a while to perfect. Target practice and plenty of it will sort it out.
 
Just to make sure you don't lose your legbreak, bowl about 20-30 legbreaks, then 6 googlies, then go back to bowling legbreaks for 20-30 and so on. If you do lose your legbreak, then you need to go back to the very start and work your way back to bowling a legspinner with a full run up and complete action - bowl a leggy from one hand to the other, then go round arm so you can still seen your arm and wrist and what they're both doing, then finally back to full action. That's only if you do lose th ability to bowl it though!

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Originally posted by Left armer

so you bowl leg-spin right?
 
You're bang on target there.
 
Originally posted by motime

hey, ive been practicing bowling legspin alot recently, I turn it quite a bit, but i keep gettin frustrated by torn upper fingers, my first finger gets pretty bruised up, its not that bad but it really does prevent me from bowling

I was wondering if I should use some kind of tape to prevent this, atleast in practice

any tips?
 
That's strange as that will more happen to an offie than a leggie as an offie uses his index finger to make the ball rip.  A leggie ring finger is what will get blister especially if you bowl with quite a new ball and bowl long.
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Thanks for the advice,Tyke.
I'll try that.
Though I just changed my slightly to get a bit more accuracy,but I still have trouble.
Hopefully your idea works.
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Hey all, im in need of desperate help. Ok, im a fast bowler(born and raised in england, just moved to canada 3 years ago but i have cousins who also play cricket because we are pakistani ) that wanted to try out leg spin. my friend also wanted to try it out, but now the problem we have is line. we either pitch it short which allows the batsmen to smack our balls, or we pitch it wide which goes for a wide ball. the grip i use is the shane warne grip with 2 fingers up 2 fingers down, ive read lots of articles for tips but my leg spins never are accurate. also, most of the time my leg spins either go straight on or occasionally go for a googly. why is this? how should the release be? when i release, i turn my wrist to the left(im a right hand bowler) and use my fingers to spin the ball.
 
 
id really appreciate it if someone could help me out, especially on why i bowl it SHORT.
 
 
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Okay,I'll try to help.
I find that the Warney grip is very hard to master,therefore I go for the grip that comes naturally to me:I hold the ball with thumb on the bottom and the first three fingers splayed over the top of the ball with the little finger not touching the ball,I hope that helps.
And try to release it out of the back of the hand!
I find that not releasing it out of the back of my hand makes it short.

If that doesn't work,then I suggest you wait for others to post their opinions.
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Rightly said, Warney's grip aint that easy to bowl with. I will go for Kaneria grip, the one bladescape told you. If you want more turn, then I suggest you bowl side on and rip your fingers with the seam as much as you can. Release it over you head and above the eye line of the batsman. That might help bowling on a good length and getting a bit of turn
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Is that really Kaneria's grip?
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Yes that is I suppose
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Kaneria's grip and Warne's grip is basically the same.  Just some minor stuff but they are both two fingers up, two fingers down.  It all depends on the size of your fingers that will make the minor difference.  Warne's two fingers up is more closer together than most and his fingers are more over the ball than Kaneria.  I have a leggie mate who bowls to finger up, two finger down and his fingers go a lot over ball and his index finger is a lot on the side of the ball too and he still rips it.
 
So, all in all, with the grip, two finger up, two finger down is the way although everyone will have a slight difference in how far over their fingers go and how wide apart they are.
 
If you are dragging a lot of balls short, one of the major reason for that is that you could be bowling front on so side on is the recommended way for a leggie.  Also, if you're bowling too slow and flat, most likely, it will drop short.  If you're going flatter, bowl faster, if you're bowling slower, flight it more.
 
As for the turn, try and get the seam position to face slip and that it is straight as well, that might add some curve to the delivery.
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And try to release it out of the back of the hand!
I find that not releasing it out of the back of my hand makes it short.
 
Bowling out the back of the hands will make the ball either top spin or go the other way, which is the googly.  A leggies stock ball comes out either with the back of the hands to cover with the palm to mid wicket.  Or, with the back of the hand to you and the palm to the batter which should be the side spinner.
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i struggle with my grip alot, i really need help. i tried the 2 finger up, 2 finger down my fingers are too small for that. any suggestions. my grip doesent allow my third finger to rip the ball. its a recent problem thats occured. In my run up i often stop cuz my grip doesent feel right.
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And try to release it out of the back of the hand! I find that not releasing it out of the back of my hand makes it short.

 

Bowling out the back of the hands will make the ball either top spin or go the other way, which is the googly.  A leggies stock ball comes out either with the back of the hands to cover with the palm to mid wicket.  Or, with the back of the hand to you and the palm to the batter which should be the side spinner.


I get it to leg spin and I bowl it out of the back of my hand!
Maybe I am different,because I sure can get it out of the back of my hand.

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Do you get good spin on the least responsive of surface?
 
Originally posted by lethal yorker

i struggle with my grip alot, i really need help. i tried the 2 finger up, 2 finger down my fingers are too small for that. any suggestions. my grip doesent allow my third finger to rip the ball. its a recent problem thats occured. In my run up i often stop cuz my grip doesent feel right.
 
It's not all about the grip, could be your wrist position.  If your wrist is cock to tight, it will make the ball feel bad in your hand.  Just say I know this from personal experience. Wink I also find that by trying to rev up the ball real hard, I get it out better.


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Ussually I do,mainly on my Googly though.
My stock ball never has the same amount of spin on it and I can't chose how much spin to put on it.
One advantage to this is that my googly is nigh on exactly the same action as the legbreak!

On another note,I also find it comes out better when I try to put lots of revs on it!

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thanks for the tips everyone. well i just came back from playing cricket with my friends and read these replies, so ill have to try this shizzle out tommorow, but one question. how the frigg do you bowl side on? i tried doing that before as i read on a site that leggies shud bowl side on, but it didn't help my accuracy. today i also tried the 3 finger grip but it didn't work. maybe im not bowling side on the correct way? ive noticed that a problem i have is that the ball get STUCK in my hand when i try to impart spin with my fingers, only time ive been successful at bowling leg break is when my wrist is facing the batsmen like an off spin and my wrist then turns to the left, which is another type of delivery that comes out well only few times, so how do i bowl it side on/?
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Hey SW i can spin it a miles both ways but i'm not accurate.
Can you help me how to be more accurate or any1 else?


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I asked a simaler question further up on this page.
The answers given should help you.
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Practice man, practice.  I have the same problem, can spin it but not that accurate!
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