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Cleaner 
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 Topic: You Rate the UmpirePosted: 02 March 2011 at 3:46am |
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1) If you are a minnow, rest assured the balance of the umpiring will go against you, eg. Kenya vs Sri Lanka today. Kenya were put in the position of having to use their reviews against some poor LBW decisions.
Good thing the review system is in place.
I thought the benefit of the doubt went to the batsman?
2) Generally, LBWs go against minnows - expected?
3) Indian umpires are not the worst. In fact, they have made some bad decisions against India! They are better than most umpires. Worst umpires I have seen in last 30 years have been Western umpires celebrated over the years for being the best but a joke when it comes to being "unbiased". Oz umpires are probably the worst in this regard with one exception? For Eastern countries, the best thing has been neutral umpiring and the review system. They should always insist upon it.
4) Why are the majority of ICC umpires from the West? There are plenty of good ones from Bangladesh, India, etc.
5) Hawkeye is sometimes a joke! Did you know that you can set parameters in Hawkeye for each team that adjusts the percentages of some decisions?
6) 3rd Umpires - need to use some common sense, eg. Ian Bell LBW vs India, etc.? They generally don't add anything? Why not just run the review on the big screen and let the 2 on-field umpires make the decision? Also, everyone in the crowd can then see whether it is fair or not?
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Sledger
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 7:47am |
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The general belief that Western Umpires (by that I think you mean those from Eng , Aus , NZ, SA) are the best has been around for many years. It's a belief held by ex-players as well as critics and supporters. Umpires in England stand in more matches than any other country's officials and it's logical that through experience they will get more decisions right. More often than not those same umpires were ex players , so they know the game from both sides of the fence. As for Bangladesh having good umpires , you'll find you're in a minority there.
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kirankri
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 8:32am |
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Absolutely right Sledge. The best umpires I have seen are from Eng and Aus. Sheps, Bird, Tauffel, Randell, Hair were terrific umpires.
Indian umpires were not great with the exception of Venkat. Pakistan umpires were the worst in the 80's and early 90's. Dar is an excellent umpire from Pakistan.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 8:38am |
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Pakistan umpires were really a shame for the entire 80s and early 90s. I don't include Hair in that otherwise good list of yours though. Dave Orchard and Ian Robinson were fantastic too.
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kirankri
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 8:43am |
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I was mentioning about the Eng and Aus umpires Zuhair. So didn't mention Dave Orchard, Ian Robinson and Steve Bucknor. But you are right. They were terrific. There was one more umpire from Aus who was very handsome and used to umpire most of the matches in the 80's. He was very good too.
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Sledger
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 8:44am |
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One might think I am biased towards English umpires and it's true that when I lived in England I saw a great deal of Bird and Shepherd around the county scene as well as tests. That they were English was purely incidental as far as I was concerned , players of the likes of Lillee , Hadlee , Rice , Proctor , Donald and Warne are on record as saying they were top class and I didn't see fit to argue with them.
The one great loss to test officiating has to be Peter Willey , another outstanding umpire who just found the grind of the test circuit too much . |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 02 March 2011 at 12:51pm |
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Umpires these days would appear a bit more worse due to technology and whether the oldies want to believe it or not, its true. How many decisions do we see first hand that we form a conclusion for then when the replay come we go to another? Dar and Taufel today are top class, Gould is pretty good too. Umpire gets a decision wrong marginally, I can live with that! |
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vote4peace
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 6:01am |
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Man after yesterday's game Daryl Harper must be on -ve double digits. Had a terrible terrible game. The umpire decision was reversed 5 times in one innings.
Great advert for the UDRS that game. |
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I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 6:23am |
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I guess it was more than five times - Harper was horrible last night. But he has always been so.
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Posted: 07 March 2011 at 6:11am |
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Harper's performance in that match was appalling - 0 points from me ! Just how long will the ICC stick by him ?
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vote4peace
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Posted: 07 March 2011 at 7:03am |
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Man ICC tweaks the 2.5m DRS rule. I mean already... Thought they would wait for the WC to get over. Good move for me.
The new rule states that if any part of the ball is judged to hit any part of the middle stump the on-field umpire may reverse his initial Not-Out. With the previous rule the ball had to hit dead center of the middle stump. This came into play in the Ind\Ire game when Cusack's lbw(or not lbw) decision was reversed by the field umpire Rod Tucker to be given in the bowlers favor giving Yuvraj his 5th wicket. Remember it was the same bowler who suffered in the Bell scenario previously. Edited by vote4peace - 07 March 2011 at 7:04am |
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I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 08 March 2011 at 8:28am |
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/504744.html
Interesting read - very unsurprisingly though - Dar and Taufel are there on the top and Asoka and Harper on the bottom. |
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Posted: 08 March 2011 at 9:06am |
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I've just seen that as well mate ! de Silva's referrals were all reversed and Dar and Taufel's all upheld - that says a lot ! That my pal Harper is next to bottom is no surprise either .
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Amal
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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 4:33pm |
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Wow, I'm so happy for Dar. At least there is a man who is really doing something good for Pakistan. Wish him Good luck!!!
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Cricket for peace!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 10 March 2011 at 12:04am |
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Dar has really been top class this last year or two, no doubt about that! And Harper is really poor, I generally don't criticize umpires but I've probably had enough of Harper. Just hope he's not umpiring any of West Indies game!
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 6:26am |
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Like it or hate it , the review system clearly shows who can umpire and who can't. Harper and da Silva have been left out of the quarter finals after such abject performances throughout the group stages. Hopefully that means their world cups are over , maybe their umpiring careers could well be too!
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:21pm |
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India vs Australia
Critical Match - Western Umpires!
1st over Zaheer warned; commentators surprised. Puts Indian strike bowler on defensive.
Ponting in 90s - plum LBW to Harbajhan. Umpire turns it down; India have no reviews left.
Maybe 1 day we will see a sub-continent umpire in a critical match with India
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:52am |
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You will have to wait for it mate - it cant be in the semis!!
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:13pm |
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Umpires will always have mishaps, as long as they don't make blunders, i'm good. Like when Russell was out against England, I thought it pitched outside leg. on replay, it turned out to be a dead lbw decision! |
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