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akkers 
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 Topic: Youngster pitching shortPosted: 29 June 2007 at 10:57pm |
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We have a boy in our under 11 team who bowls fast but has one key problem - he keeps pithcing the ball too short, almost in the middle of the wicket. What can we do to get him to pitch the ball up?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 1:05am |
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Put up some markers, tell him if he hit it consistantly, you'll give him some money. He won't refuse that at all!!!
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The Tyke
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 1:52am |
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Normally, this will happen because he is trying to bowl too fast. This will make him release it later giving it a shorter pitch. When practicing with him get him to slow down his pace and work with him on finding the perfect release point.
Then, once he's found this get him to keep finding it while increasing his pace.
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Pietersen Fan
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:23pm |
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i personally wouldnt try to get him to do anything, hes eleven, hes got another 3 or 4 years untill it really maters where he pitches it, from experience i know that trying to do something different can often make things worse, let him work things out for himself naturallyover the coming years
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fishcake14
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:28pm |
Why would you do that? That's like getting a spinner who spins it miles, and you taking him away and making him bowling with no spin on a spot - that's taking talent away from a kid.
PF's right here, he's only 11 after all. If he can bowl quickly let him bowl quickly for now. If in a few years time he still bowls it on the same spot he does now then it's time to get the markers out and slowing down his pace etc, but not now.
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The Tyke
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:34pm |
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If you're releasing the ball too late, it's very difficult to sort it out while at full pace. Break the action down and find what's wrong and fix it.
I do agree that he could sort it out over the coming years. It may also come with him growing taller that he'll come to pitch it up higher anyway.
I think PF's right for now but if the problem persists over the next few years with very few signs of it changing then work on his point of release.
I've worked with a few spinners at my local cricket club and sometimes still do. Making a person work out the kinks in their action by slowing it down is nothing like what you suggested for spinners. The first is sorting an action out to improve the player, the second is butchering an action. Edited by The Tyke - 30 June 2007 at 9:39pm |
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:40pm |
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Yeah, I think it'll help when he's taller. But yeah, in a few years if he's not changed we'll get you in to help!
  Edited by fishcake14 - 30 June 2007 at 9:40pm |
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The Tyke
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:42pm |
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I work with spinners, not seamers. I've only ever worked with a seamer once and that was only to help him to bowl cutters.
But why not. Next stop England Coach Edited by The Tyke - 30 June 2007 at 9:43pm |
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:43pm |
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Well, moving off topic slightly; say you've got a spinner who can turn it but has no accuracy. What would you do?
Edited by fishcake14 - 30 June 2007 at 9:44pm |
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The Tyke
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:53pm |
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Get him to aim at areas while giving it a good rip. It's pointless to stop him spinning it because the second that he starts spinning it again then the accuracy goes out the window.
This is different to seamers because seamers can normally slow down and speed up their actions while keeping what's been learned. Edited by The Tyke - 30 June 2007 at 9:53pm |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:55pm |
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Oh OK, fair enough mate. I see what I've said and if I say anything else I'm gonna contradict myself!
Edited by fishcake14 - 30 June 2007 at 9:55pm |
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Posted: 09 July 2007 at 1:05am |
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Without seeing the young boy its hard to give an exact answer.
Ill mention a couple of technical action issues that could be the problem and then one or 2 other thoughts.
2 main reasons why kids drop the ball short are a) a 'short' action and b) Collapsing of the left leg (if ra bowler)
a) 'Short' action. If the left arm does not get very high then the bowler completes the action very quickly and the ball is dragged short. By 'lengthening' the action by making the left arm get higher the whole upper body part of the action takes longer (with no loss of pace) and the ball is realeased to pitch far closer to the batsman.
b) Collapsing of the left leg. If the left leg collapses on a quickie then the body gets dragged towards the ground and the ball comes out very short. By getting the left leg braced in the action then the lenght of the action is the same but the ball is released to pitch up to the batsman.
Ive worked with a young bowler (though admittedly a little older than the one you mention) that had both these issues and dropped the ball very short.
Lengthening the action and bracing the front leg made changes close to amazing.
If the problem is neither of the above then Id recommend that he just bowls, bowls, and bowls some more. Muscle memory and experience is important and at 11 there is a lot of natural development to go through.
IMO, the worst possible thing to do would be to ask the kid to slow down. What happens is that accuracy may imporve but over time he will develop a different action to the one he used when charging in and it gets very difficult to get the pace back.
Build accuracy to pace rather than build pace to accuracy.
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akkers
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 11:36pm |
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Thanks for that. Come to think of it he does not utilise his left arm much and even when he does it does not go high enough. Are there any drills that can enforce the use of left arm?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 13 July 2007 at 11:52pm |
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I liked Goughy point about the left leg falling! Although not many can keep it dead straight, you still shouldn't make it fall much. I saw a clip with Micheal Holding from side on and his front leg was dead straight on the crease. The knees didn't bend at all!! I guess you have to be a natural athlete to do it!!
Although I'm a spinner, I've experienced with all the forms of bowling and I find that cocking the wrist back and then bringing it down on release helps to keep it up where you want it. I think striving for too much pace can cause you to land it short too. You should ensure that the lad run up is smooth, that he doesn't fall much on the crease and that he maintains a good head position that allows him to keep his eye on the ball on release and that makes sure that your action doesn't fall away!
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STNOOR
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Posted: 24 July 2007 at 10:21am |
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nice point...i got to check if am too bending my right knee (i am LA) because i also bowl shorties but not regularly and do have a good accuracy. Only happens when i try to bowl very fast
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Posted: 29 July 2007 at 12:59pm |
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got to be a bit careful about suggesting a change to a collapsing front leg. Hys is the leg collapsing??
A collapsing front leg could be due to the bowler trying to bowl over a leg that is in a closed position (front foot direction incorrect) in these cases the body has no hope of bending over a leg braced in this manner so the body bends something else - the leg at the knee! Try placing your foot in various positions from 10 oclock to 2 oclock then going through a bowling action and see what happens!! |
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