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    Posted: 25 February 2006 at 5:23am
Guys

I am just sick of comparisons where they put Sehwag against the greats...

Lets compare him in the league where he belongs at the moment!!!

Younis Khan and Sehwag have played similar no. of test matches, lets compare their records and have a poll

Younis
Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St

42  3439 267   48.43  11  13   2  1/24   84.50  0  43  0
Sehwag
42  3614 309   54.75  11  10   3  1/17  135.00  0  36  0
Now we have two choices, lets start comparing Younis with Dravid & Tendulkar or keep Sehwag in his own league...



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However, there is one major difference!

When Younis plays better Pakistan wins... He averages 50% more than his overall test average when Pakistan wins.

Younis's 7 out of 11 100s are match winning.

Sehwag's the other way around, when India wins, his average drops below his overall average...

Sehwag's has made only 2 out his 11 100s in a victory.
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	Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
Played  42  3439 267   48.43  11  13   2  1/24   84.50  0  43  0
Won	18  1952 267   69.71   7   8   -   -       -    -  23  0

Sehwag
	Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
Played	42  3614 309   54.75  11  10   3  1/17  135.00  0  36  0
Won	15  1078 309   51.33   2   4   0   -       -    0  23  0
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So there you go then. That means that even though Sehwag is a big part of India's team, Younis makes an ever bigger contribution to the Pakistan team. Younis has also got a better technique than Sehwag. Sehwag barely has any footwork.
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Sehwag doesnt play under pressure, his second innings average is way low compared to ist innings, similarlr he rarely features in sucessful run chases, But he is exciting to watch for his exploits early in the innings similar to afridi,and dhoni, bith excitinf to watch, but not truly dependable.

Younis khan is a breed apart, a thoroughbred, man of crises for pakistan, immensly telented, reliable, infact the cricket revival in pakistan was becos of two players Inzi and younis. The way he has progressed in the last one year he deserves a comparison with dravid, or the resurgent yuvraj singh (though he hasnt done that much as yet).

All in all sehwag in league of pinch hitters, younis in the league of batsman!
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Yup! I completely agree.

Younis is a proper batsman while Sehwag is a pinch hitter.
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Originally posted by wiseguy

The way he has progressed in the last one year he deserves a comparison with dravid, or the resurgent yuvraj singh (though he hasnt done that much as yet).


Wiseguy,
Please dont compare Yuvraj with Younis, Younis is a class above.  You can compare Yuvraj with the likes of Salman Butt I believe....
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Yuvraj has been in good form lately and deserves comparison with Younis.
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I am really sorry,yuvraj needs a lot to prove to be catagorized with dravid and younis khan!

Infact I have made a few groups

Sachin, Inzimam, Lara, Ponting...... Class acts

Dravid, Younis, Sangakara, Kalis,martyn,....... Dependable

Yuvraj, Butt, Pieterson,Rudolf, Hussy ....... Upcoming & Improving

Afridi, Sehwag, Dhoni, Gilchrist, Symonds, Hinds,......Pinch hitters
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Yeah, right Wiseguy...

No votes for Sehwag???

I think just because people were voting for him previously without taking a look at his record....

Now they have seen his records therefor no votes for Sehwag anymore!
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Just to illustrate about stats never giving the full story;

The true measure of a player's ability is how he fares against the very best, which in the cricket world of the last few years is Australia, so let's see the records of those two gentlemen against the men at the top.

Sehwag
Mat  Runs  HS    BatAv   100  50      

 9   846   195   49.76    2    3    

Younis

Mat  Runs  HS    BatAv   100  50   

 6   382   87    31.83     0   3

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Originally posted by wiseguy


Infact I have made a few groups


Sachin, Inzimam, Lara, Ponting...... Class acts


Dravid, Younis, Sangakara, Kalis,martyn,....... Dependable


Yuvraj, Butt, Pieterson,Rudolf, Hussy ....... Upcoming & Improving


Afridi, Sehwag, Dhoni, Gilchrist, Symonds, Hinds,......Pinch hitters



I think Mike Hussey has shown that he is a class act,I think your wrong on Gilly and Symo though they are both class acts because they can play proper shots unlike afridi who just tries to slog it out of the ground
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Originally posted by GingerPrince


I think Mike Hussey has shown that he is a class act,I think your wrong on Gilly and Symo though they are both class acts because they can play proper shots unlike afridi who just tries to slog it out of the ground


I think the main concern for Ginger and similar people is not that Afridi is a slogger, but that he is a very successful slogger!!!

Specially against India, whom he turns into absolute waste......
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Originally posted by Clobber

Just to illustrate about stats never giving the full story;
The true measure of a player's ability is how he fares against the very best, which in the cricket world of the last few years is Australia, so let's see the records of those two gentlemen against the men at the top.
Sehwag
Mat  Runs  HS    BatAv   100  50      

 9   846   195   49.76    2    3    
Younis

Mat  Runs  HS    BatAv   100  50   

 6   382   87    31.83     0   3


After doing hours of research on stats, my friend Clobber has finally come up with one Stat out of so many where Sehwag is ahead of Younis.......
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first one I looked up actually and more than a little telling too
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Originally posted by Clobber

first one I looked up actually and more than a little telling too


& this is exactly what you will never do for Dhoni & Co.
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Originally posted by Clobber

first one I looked up actually and more than a little telling too


& being so naive, you simply missed that performing in Teams' victory is less important than performing in lost or drawn matches against Australia.... (thats an Indian batsman's tradition, play for record than for victory)
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Originally posted by Majestic Khan


Originally posted by Clobber

Just to illustrate about stats never giving the full story;
The true measure of a player's ability is how he fares against the very
best, which in the cricket world of the last few years is Australia, so
let's see the records of those two gentlemen against the men at the top.
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Sehwag</span>
<pre><font face="MONOSPACE,COURIER NEW,COURIER">Mat Runs HS    BatAv   100 50       9  &nb sp;846   195   49.76 &nbs p;  2    3   &n bsp;<span style="font-weight: bold;">Younis</span><font face="MONOSPACE,COURIER NEW,COURIER">Mat Runs HS    BatAv   100 50    6   382    87    31.83     ; 0   3 </pre>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">After doing hours of research on stats, my friend Clobber has finally come up with <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">one </span>Stat out of so many where Sehwag is ahead of Younis.......</span>


In my opinion i dont think that it is even right to comapre sehwag with younis. I'm not saying that one's better than the other, but it doesn't seem very sensible to compare them. They are both such different players that it is too hard to say who's better. Stats never tell the truth and i'm sure you know that khan.
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Here is Sehwag the great's batting performance stats in the 2nd innings of a test... when your team is under pressure and the wicket is difficult

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
40   550  90  22.91  0   2   0  -   -          0  18  0

No 100s, just 2 50s and an average of 22????

Look at Younis

Mat Runs  HS  BatAv 100 50 W  BB    BowlAv 5w Ct St
39   1191 194  39.70  3    5   2  1/24  38.50    0  14 0

3 100s and 5 50s with a batting average almost double of Sehwag's

This is why Younis has won more matches than Sehwag for his country
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Originally posted by Jyothika


In my opinion i dont think that it is even right to comapre sehwag with younis. I'm not saying that one's better than the other, but it doesn't seem very sensible to compare them. They are both such different players that it is too hard to say who's better. Stats never tell the truth and i'm sure you know that khan.


I have few questions for you

  • How do you define better???? (both generally and in cricketing terms)
  • How should we compare a cricket player's performance with another player without stats?
  • If stats never tell the truth, then what are they for? and what else should be used for judgment????
  • When you guys dont have any answer in terms of stats or records, why do you start complaining about being sensible or stupid??
  • Is comparing Sehwag the street kid with Inzy or Ponting sensible?????? If not, why havent you posted such a comment in other threads before?


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And yet lost EVERY match he has ever played against Australia...averaging 31
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Originally posted by Majestic Khan

Originally posted by Clobber

first one I looked up actually and more than a little telling too


& this is exactly what you will never do for Dhoni & Co.


I have better things to do than make a fool of you - something you do perfectly well on your own anyway
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Originally posted by Clobber

Originally posted by Majestic Khan

Originally posted by Clobber

first one I looked up actually and more than a little telling too


& this is exactly what you will never do for Dhoni & Co.


I have better things to do than make a fool of you - something you do perfectly well on your own anyway


Now i get it!!!!

When the stats dont favour Indian players, they dont tell the truth...

Instead we start hearing words like fool, stupid, .....

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Originally posted by Clobber

And yet lost EVERY match he has ever played against Australia...averaging 31


Actuallu the way he is drubbing India averaging 100+ and scoring 4 100s and 3 50s in just 6 matches is makint it so painful for you
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need I remind you I am not Indian, merely objective?
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Yeah, calling people fool and stupid and so on shows where do you belong actually!!!!!!!!
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and where would that be oh wise one?
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Originally posted by Jyothika

In my opinion i dont think that it is even right to comapre sehwag with younis. I'm not saying that one's better than the other, but it doesn't seem very sensible to compare them. They are both such different players that <span style="font-weight: bold;">it is too hard to say who's better. Stats never tell the truth and i'm sure you know that khan.</span>
I have few questions for you
  • How do you define better???? (both generally and in cricketing terms)
  • How should we compare a cricket player's performance with another player without stats?
  • If stats never tell the truth, then what are they for? and what else should be used for judgment????
  • When you guys dont have any answer in terms of stats or records, why do you start complaining about being sensible or stupid??
  • Is comparing Sehwag the street kid with Inzy or Ponting sensible?????? If not, why havent you posted such a comment in other threads before?


I didn't say any of them were better than the other. All i said was that you can't say who's better between them. I have posted many comments in other threads about it not being sensible. Sehwag is not a street kid so it would be nice if you could give him some respect too. He has immense talent and i'm sure you know it. Sehwag and younis are just not comparable. It is obvious that they are complete different players. I said that stats don't always tell the truth. Sehwag opens and younis bats down the order. It is quite likely for one of them to have a better average than the other becasue they bat at complete different positions. If you were to compare sehwag with salman butt and younis with dravid it may have been more sensible.     
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Khan has rightly compared two players with the same number of matches, both been vice captains for their sides, but one featuring far more in teams wins compared to other, and thats what should make a player valuable! becos it counts to perform when the chips are down rather than when the cherry is new on asunny day! 
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hey clobber if sehwag is good

he didn't make many runs against pakistan did

if sehwag preformed so good against australia then he sholud be brad men against pakistan unfortunitly that didn't happen.

last tour of pakistan in australia was unfair beacuse pakistan was a young time they didn't even know wat team work was .

iam waiting for the 2008 tour of australia and i want to see how younis preforms then
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