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sam_ahmed
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Topic: Zimbabwe in Bangladesh (Oct 09 - Nov 09)Posted: 24 October 2009 at 3:00pm |
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Bangladesh and Zimbabwe go head to head against each other once again in a 5 match series, this time in Bangladesh.
The last time these two sides met we saw Coventry making a new world record score but BAN still came up on top and eventually won the series 4-1. This might not be a series worth following for many, but going by the progress of both these teams, I think they surely cause some upsets come WC 2011. List of Fixtures:
In an already concluded warm up game BCB XI defeated ZIM by 4 wickets. Tatenda Taibu is making a comeback for ZIM in this series. |
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milkman
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Posted: 24 October 2009 at 3:05pm |
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I'll read the scorecards, but that's about it. Masakadza made two 150s in the last series v Kenya and Coventry made 194* against Bang last time. That impressed me, but can they do that against Australia, India and co.?
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 24 October 2009 at 5:08pm |
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They won't Milks but the signs are good. The return of Brendon Taylor and Tatenda Taibu means that things are improving in ZIM cricket. They have some good talented batsmen in their ranks and some spinners in Price, Utseya and Cremer but their pace bowling is very poor. I don't know how good is that new guy Kyle Jarvis. If Sean Ervine and Andy Blignaut can come back, ZIM will be a very decent side.
Similarly if you look at BAN, they are getting better and have some very fine upcoming youngsters in their ranks, they'll trouble the top nations more often now. |
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milkman
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Posted: 25 October 2009 at 2:03am |
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Yer I said it before, Ervine and Blignaut are two trump cards still playing league cricket around the world and are both still young enough.
The problem is Sam is that cricket is a minority sport in Zim. It was mostly played by the whites who only amounted around 5% of the population in the 90s and most of them have now left. Like in SA it is taught and coached in the school system which was again dominated by the whites. So it's going to take time. Put this alongside the fact that Zimbabwe is completely impoverished and has inflation of how ever many thousand percent. It's a tough time. Once these big guns like Campbell and Streak can come back and help the youngsters develop then you'll see improvement, which we are starting to see. 5 years time ZIM could be ready for tests if they don't fall of the paddiwagon. |
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Bangladesh is gonna be a good team soon, in ODI's at least. Shakib, Razzaq, Mortaza, Madmullah is a good bowling attack right there. Batters really need to step up on being mentally stronger. Isn't Aftab Ahmed available to play? Where is he?
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milkman
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Posted: 25 October 2009 at 3:10am |
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Batting is definitely their weakness at the moment. Habibul Bashar loss of form and then subsequent dropping was a big downside. Ashraful is totally unfulfilled as a talent and they had a young kid named Shariar ul Nafees. Think he went to the ICL, but he was a special talent and still very young. Did well against Australia.
One thing that worries me about Mortaza is that he has NO 5 wicket hauls in first class cricket or tests. I think that's a concern when your strike bowler struggles to take big hauls. Edited by milkman - 26 October 2009 at 6:32am |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 25 October 2009 at 2:56pm |
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BCB is keen not to pick the ICL players I believe, just to send a message to all the younger players which in one way is good. They are persisting with all those loyal players who stayed with the BCB while so many others like Nafees, Kapali and Aftab left them high and dry.
Those three (Aftab, Kapali and Nafees) are automatic selections into the side otherwise and will make BAN look a lot better. |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 25 October 2009 at 3:10pm |
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ZIM bounce back to beat BCB XI by a huge margin... Brendon Taylor once again scoring 139. I tell you he is a very very fine talent Brendon Taylor.
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Posted: 25 October 2009 at 6:46pm |
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I'm pretty sure that the ICL players won't be allowed to play for a year or so after they returned anyway, so we won't see them until next year at the earliest.
EDIT: A bit of hunting, and apart from Habibul Bashar, I'm not sure any other Bangladeshis actually tore up their contracts. Edited by -JP- - 25 October 2009 at 6:56pm |
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Brendon Taylor has always been a pretty decent batsman Sam. Zimbabwe has some decent batsman.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 28 October 2009 at 3:47am |
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ZIM beat BAN first up! Terrific all round performance by Elton Chigumbura... A very fine all rounder that guy... Kyle Jarvis seems to be a good young find too, so far he has been very impressive. well done ZIM, they have proved that this will be no easy going for BAN. Meanwhile Razzak did very well for BAN getting 3 wickets... including ZIM's best two batsmen Taibu and Taylor for ducks!
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Posted: 28 October 2009 at 3:53am |
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Zimbabwe need fast bowlers. Chigumbura and Chibaha are the 2nd and 3rd medium pacers behind Jarvis and they are both military medium pace - their bowling is as good as James Hopes' at best. That's not enough to beat top sides. It's all good and well to have 3 decent spinners, but you need quicks. With their very decent quality batting a couple of pacers would do the trick. if Blignaut and Ervine came back I dare say Zimbabwe would smash Banglasdesh and probably compete more than Bangladesh in tests.
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Posted: 28 October 2009 at 4:09am |
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It gives me such pleasure to see Zim winning - I hope they find some quickies as Milks pointed and they will be a force soon.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 29 October 2009 at 5:36pm |
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pay back time as BAN demolish ZIM in just 29 overs! 5 wicket haul for Razzak, it has been such a good come back for him after being suspended for suspect action... and then with the bat it was that man again, Shakib al Hasan hitting another century to see BAN through.
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Shakib showing his class here - he's a top player, I like how he hits the ball hard! He's not the #1 ODI all rounder for nothing. |
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I still think Razzak chucks and his test numbers, like most finger spinners, are poor.
Shakib's numbers have been inflated by the fact that he's played something like 10 or more ODIs against Zim and a depleted WI just this year. I'd like to see how he fairs against other, stronger sides before looking at those ICC rankings and saying he's no.1. |
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Truth. However,I can't wait to actually see him in action live.(That will mean waiting till Bang faces Aus again though.) |
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Posted: 30 October 2009 at 3:07am |
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To be honest I'd like to see those clashes limited. Bang come here they play their games in far north QLD and NT because they don't rate them enough to play them in the top stadia like SCG or MCG. Sometimes they even move the telecast from channel nine to ABC and they play in the off season (our winter). They're not treated like that for no reason. They get drubbed 9 times outta 10. I don't mind seeing them play Zimbabwe and the like. It gives them more confidence , they should continue like this for a little while as I think they're improving. I'd like to see them play short test series. Say 3 ODIs, a 2020 and 1 or 2 tests. There's no economic value or cricket value for their opposition to play Bangladesh, so they have to limit it.
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Done a bit of research. Apparently Alistair Campbell, the new Zim coach, Blignaut might start playing in the new , more competitive 5 team Zimbabwe franchise cricket league. He hasn't played much cricket at all in the last 3 years after not having success in Australia nor SA and is working in SA and Zim with his family business. He's still 31 and Campbell rates him, so he could have a shot.
Ervine on the other hand, after failing in Western Australia has gone to England and has been quite successful in County cricket. He is also seeking qualificiation to play for England and is 27 years of age. Bit of a waste and it looks like England's team could be full of foreigners in the near future if he's good enough. |
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Blignaut is a real handful. if the likes of Carlisle and Ervine also return - they will soon be a formidable side - though nothing like the good old days of Flowers and Capmbell.
I must say Shakib's innings was really special. That guy is a wonderful cricketer in an ordinary team. |
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Shakib is the Tikolo or Andy Flower of Bangladesh. A giant in a team of dwarfs and he's a real solid talent. I do think he'd perform well against the top sides and he'll make a test ton soon when the opportunity arises. Nonetheless he has something ridiculous like 5 5-for in 15 tests or something, which is awesome. Genuine all rounder he is and I think he's a better bowler than Mahmudullah and Abdul Razzak and is the best or 2nd best batsman in the side. Probably in ODIs the best. Captaincy is also not doing any harm to his game. Top young talent this Shakib ul-Hasan bloke.
Blignaut was seriously quick in his day, over 140kph which is always a handful and when his batting clicked he was a bit like Chris Cairns, really launch at the ball and hit it hard. Unfortunately it looks like Ervine has given up on his homeland and is looking for opportunities in England. It's not like England really need him. It's a waste. I hope he comes back to Zim, hopefully Campbell and Streak can convince him. He's actually a really decent all rounder, bowls solid medium pace and is a strong batsman, made a nice ton in the VB series a few years back vs India. Blignaut was going to be made captain before he left. They didn't pay him so he didn't play. I guess if he can get match fit and can be promised a good deal he could be lured back. I'm sure someone like Campbell isn't coaching for Zimbabwe dollars here! |
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If he is - he needs a whole garage for dumping those dollars there.
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Inflation is incredible over there. Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to float the currency in Zimbabwe!
It's encouraging to see the older plays come back and assist. I mean look at the talent Zim has produced and compare it to Bangladesh and you'll see how much better Zim has been. They played a lot in the 90s where there were some devastating fast and spin bowlers, unlike now, so they faired quite well, including beating Pak away. Goodwin, Flower brothers, Campbell, Carlisle, Whittall, Houghton, Johnson, Streak, Taibu, Olonga, Brandes, Price is a respactable list of cricketers. Not to mention Ervine, Blignaut and some of the guys in the current team who are doing well like Masakdza, Coventry, Taylor. |
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The talent in BAN is not restricted to Shakib alone, but he is the only one who has utilised his abilities really well so far. Tamim and Ashraful are equally as talented as him but are very inconsistent. Mortaza is a very very fine bowler too. Razzak has been very effective in the shorter formats of the game.
Coming to ZIM, I think the real talent there is in the likes of Taylor, Taibu and Masakadza. Price and Chigumbura are fine cricketers too but otherwise their bowling is very weak and batting lacks consistency. Coventry is not as good, he has had that one huge innings but otherwise he has never been as good. They are still a top fielding side though.
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Milkman, Shakib has performed against top teams, if me remember right, he had the kiwis and the saffies in trouble with his bowling mostly.
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Does that make him the best all rounder though? You'll find with most 'all rounders' that they are pretty comfortable with the ball but when they bat they can't hold it together. Watson and Symonds are the best examples. When they first started NO ONE could rely on them with the bat, but they always bowled a full quota of overs and got wickets. Batting is the real test, in my opinion when evaluating a genuine all rounder (which Shakib is, he's not a bowling all rounder).
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:36pm |
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Shakib can bat, never seen him against top spinners yet to know if he's good against spin but he bats pace quite well for a sub continent minnow player.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 02 March 2009 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 3077 |
Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:44pm |
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He really enjoyed the Zim spinners. Took them apart! Don't think he'd have too much trouble with spin. There's few excellent spinners left since Saqqi, Kumble, MacGill and Warne aren't playing any more at test level and Murali is finishing up next year.
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Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!!
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spin wizard
Opening Bowler
The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
Posted: 30 October 2009 at 2:10pm |
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And Harbhajan is just focused on containing....... Mendis is a breath of fresh air though, me like his wicket to wicket line, yo only lose yo focus yo out lbw!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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sam_ahmed
Middle-Order Batsman
Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4363 |
Posted: 01 November 2009 at 6:54am |
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BAN are proving to be too strong now for the Zimbabweans although ZIM did put up some sort of a fight with the ball. However, what is good to see is that ZIM are looking a much improved side now and a side that can win a lot more than what they were doing earlier.
BAN are still the best of the lot among all the minnow nations and that too by some margin. The fact that they play more often against top nations helps their cause too. I'd love to see ZIM win one more game in this series though. |
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God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you!
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